she knows already all the spoilers about Ardyn? playing his dlc first would spoil many surprises of the main game.
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Is Somnus, I don't know why he is using that uniform...
https://gematsu.com/2019/02/final-fantasy-xv-dlc-episode-ardyn-first-details-screenshots
https://gematsu.com/2019/02/final-fantasy-xv-dlc-episode-ardyn-first-details-screenshots
You know I never thought about it like that but this does technically give us an Insomnia invasion within the game. Not THE Insomnia invasion but an invasion nonetheless. Honestly the more I think about it the more I get hyped for this episode. Some minor timeline discrepancies aside it really is giving us a shit ton of stuff that we had on our bucket lists.
To list a few things we're getting:
-More Regis (and in his prime too)
-Insomnia in day time and before its destruction
-An invasion type of scenario
-More development for Niflheim
-More lore about what happened 2000 years ago since it seems like there are still portions of the DLC that take place before or around Ardyn's downfall
-Ifrit as a party member for those of you that wanted him to be a summon
Also I've said it before but I'd happily throw the Ultimania info out the window for more in game content as that is what will always be primary canon to me. Getting stuff like this in the game is more important to me than adhering to a book that most folks will never read. Plus none of the trailers have referred to Regis as king so not sure why everyone is jumping to the conclusion that he is king in Episode Ardyn when that fact is unconfirmed. Mors could very well still be ruling and Regis simply goes out to fight in his stead because if Regis' rapidly declining health is anything to go by Mors must be at death's door considering Regis becomes king 3 years after Ardyn's attack according to the wiki. I think people are freaking out prematurely in regards to this stuff.
To list a few things we're getting:
-More Regis (and in his prime too)
-Insomnia in day time and before its destruction
-An invasion type of scenario
-More development for Niflheim
-More lore about what happened 2000 years ago since it seems like there are still portions of the DLC that take place before or around Ardyn's downfall
-Ifrit as a party member for those of you that wanted him to be a summon
Also I've said it before but I'd happily throw the Ultimania info out the window for more in game content as that is what will always be primary canon to me. Getting stuff like this in the game is more important to me than adhering to a book that most folks will never read. Plus none of the trailers have referred to Regis as king so not sure why everyone is jumping to the conclusion that he is king in Episode Ardyn when that fact is unconfirmed. Mors could very well still be ruling and Regis simply goes out to fight in his stead because if Regis' rapidly declining health is anything to go by Mors must be at death's door considering Regis becomes king 3 years after Ardyn's attack according to the wiki. I think people are freaking out prematurely in regards to this stuff.
Why did Ardyn say that he was the chosen when in all actuality the decision was up in the air and he was only a candidate?
What did the crystal just say to Aela and why was she shocked? And then when she went to inform Somnus about who it chose, she didn't say anything.
Did the crystal just show her the entire prophecy? Did it choose Ardyn first and change its mind and chose Somnus or did it just choose Somnus.
I know the people wanted to put Ardyn in power but the crystal had the final say.
What did the crystal just say to Aela and why was she shocked? And then when she went to inform Somnus about who it chose, she didn't say anything.
Did the crystal just show her the entire prophecy? Did it choose Ardyn first and change its mind and chose Somnus or did it just choose Somnus.
I know the people wanted to put Ardyn in power but the crystal had the final say.
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The Crystal chose Ardyn, and Aera tells Somnus this but it cuts to a different scene before the viewer see's her tell him. When Ardyn gets to the throne room Somnus then lies to the people and says he was chosen when in actuality Ardyn was chosen, Aera is even surprised he said that and angrily tries to go towards him but Gilgamesh blocks her. Because of the Daemons in Ardyn's body though despite being chosen the Crystal rejected him when he tried to touch it, and after being rejected and defeated by Somnus, Somnus was the natural next in line candidate and became the Founder king and erased Ardyn from history.
Given that it makes little sense for Somnus not to have faced nasty consequences if he really had blatantly rejected the will of the Astrals, there's actually a much more coherent option as to what Aera actually heard.
Imagine this: Aera goes to the Astrals to ask which of the brothers should be king. Instead of actually being given a name, she is told that the identity of the king must be determined by the brothers themselves. Somnus tells Aera that he would be happy for Ardyn to take the throne, and sends his soldiers out to tell Ardyn he has been chosen. Then, when Ardyn gets there, Somnus says that he was actually the chosen one and provokes him into a fight to prove Ardyn's corruption and ensure that no one can reasonably think that Ardyn would have been a better choice.
Somnus wouldn't technically be disobeying the will of the Astrals, so he wouldn't incur their wrath, but Aera would still have every reason to feel betrayed by Somnus' actions and interfere with his plan. It'd also explain why she didn't seem to be happy about the Astrals' choice -- she would have known that not being able to give a name would complicate things.
Imagine this: Aera goes to the Astrals to ask which of the brothers should be king. Instead of actually being given a name, she is told that the identity of the king must be determined by the brothers themselves. Somnus tells Aera that he would be happy for Ardyn to take the throne, and sends his soldiers out to tell Ardyn he has been chosen. Then, when Ardyn gets there, Somnus says that he was actually the chosen one and provokes him into a fight to prove Ardyn's corruption and ensure that no one can reasonably think that Ardyn would have been a better choice.
Somnus wouldn't technically be disobeying the will of the Astrals, so he wouldn't incur their wrath, but Aera would still have every reason to feel betrayed by Somnus' actions and interfere with his plan. It'd also explain why she didn't seem to be happy about the Astrals' choice -- she would have known that not being able to give a name would complicate things.
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My personal theory is that neither of the brothers were actually chosen and instead Aera was told that the Caelum line would have to wait until the real chosen one came about. Both of the brothers were only ever going to be guards to the crystal until the true chosen one came along. Basically Noctis was the only one the crystal ever chose otherwise either Somnus or Ardyn would've been given providence right there on the spot and been allowed to absorb the crystal's light to destroy the Starscourge 2000 years ago but that didn't happen. Instead Ardyn was flat out rejected and Somnus was never given that ultimate power. The line was basically tasked with waiting until the actual guy meant for all that power showed up.
Part of why I think this is because all of the Lucii are given titles at some point which they are remembered by. These titles often pertain to their most defining trait. Somnus was "The Mystic" due to his magical prowess on the battlefield, Ardyn is "The Accursed" due to his cursed existence, Regis was "The Father" due to being Noct's father, and lastly Noctis was the one and only person to formally receive the title of "The Chosen." No other king but Noctis has ever been known by this title despite there being a lot of talk about Somnus or Ardyn being chosen by the Crystal. I strongly believe that this is because they never were chosen at all, and merely tasked with waiting and protecting the crystal.
Makes sense too if you think about it. Noct's the only one of the 114 kings with no actual blood on his hands as far as we know. He's the only one who, genuinely, has never been a piece of shit or put others at risk to further his own agenda. Even Regis who was a fairly benevolent king eventually had to get his hands dirty and risk a lot of lives for his son. Not Noct though, Noct may have been spoiled but all the death around him was always a direct result of someone else being bad. None of the tragedy around him ever permanently broke him either. He was someone both Somnus and Ardyn could never hope to be.
Ardyn eventually broke under the weight of tragedy and Somnus' hands had way too much blood on them. Not to mention I don't think either of them would be so ready to lay down their lives like Noctis at the end of the day, especially at the ripe old age of 30. Ardyn ultimately wouldn't be able to let go of Aera imo considering she was the only source of love in his life and Somnus would've probably been too attached to the world to go given how much he covets the throne. Basically the Astrals needed someone who could never be corrupted and someone who would never turn away from his destiny. The 3 other Kings that we know of in FFXV came up short in one aspect or another at the end of the day and who knows about the other 100 kings and queens which is why Noctis was the only choice ever possible.
That's just what I think though and I could be entirely wrong but it would be an interesting spin on all this.
Part of why I think this is because all of the Lucii are given titles at some point which they are remembered by. These titles often pertain to their most defining trait. Somnus was "The Mystic" due to his magical prowess on the battlefield, Ardyn is "The Accursed" due to his cursed existence, Regis was "The Father" due to being Noct's father, and lastly Noctis was the one and only person to formally receive the title of "The Chosen." No other king but Noctis has ever been known by this title despite there being a lot of talk about Somnus or Ardyn being chosen by the Crystal. I strongly believe that this is because they never were chosen at all, and merely tasked with waiting and protecting the crystal.
Makes sense too if you think about it. Noct's the only one of the 114 kings with no actual blood on his hands as far as we know. He's the only one who, genuinely, has never been a piece of shit or put others at risk to further his own agenda. Even Regis who was a fairly benevolent king eventually had to get his hands dirty and risk a lot of lives for his son. Not Noct though, Noct may have been spoiled but all the death around him was always a direct result of someone else being bad. None of the tragedy around him ever permanently broke him either. He was someone both Somnus and Ardyn could never hope to be.
Ardyn eventually broke under the weight of tragedy and Somnus' hands had way too much blood on them. Not to mention I don't think either of them would be so ready to lay down their lives like Noctis at the end of the day, especially at the ripe old age of 30. Ardyn ultimately wouldn't be able to let go of Aera imo considering she was the only source of love in his life and Somnus would've probably been too attached to the world to go given how much he covets the throne. Basically the Astrals needed someone who could never be corrupted and someone who would never turn away from his destiny. The 3 other Kings that we know of in FFXV came up short in one aspect or another at the end of the day and who knows about the other 100 kings and queens which is why Noctis was the only choice ever possible.
That's just what I think though and I could be entirely wrong but it would be an interesting spin on all this.
That makes a lot of sense, too. I do have to wonder, though -- might the existence of a corrupted Lucis Caelum have been the thing that made the Astrals/Crystal go from saying that a choice would be made to saying that the Lucis Caelum line would just have to wait for the real chosen one? It seems like that ought to be part of the problem given that it ended up requiring more than just the Crystal's power to deal with Ardyn in the end.
The idea that Noct's innocence is part of what makes him the Chosen is very appealing, though. Someone with major sins of his own can't reasonably redeem the Lucis Caelum, but Noct's willingness to bear a completely undeserved burden can.
The idea that Noct's innocence is part of what makes him the Chosen is very appealing, though. Someone with major sins of his own can't reasonably redeem the Lucis Caelum, but Noct's willingness to bear a completely undeserved burden can.
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Maybe the crystal told Aera that Somnus was the chosen king and Somnus tricked Aera by telling her that he would invite Ardyn to his coronation, but when he showed up we find out that both Aera and Ardyn were tricked by Somnus. Somnus also might not fear the gods' wrath because he was aware of Ardyn's corruption (as evidenced by Ardyn being an outcast and hunted down by soldiers of his own kingdom).
As for the time that this DLC take place, I have a feeling that only the scenes of Ardyn being rescued from Angelgard and taking down Ifrit are 30+ years ago. The attack on Insomnia could have taken place only a little over a decade before FFXV proper. Ardyn very well could have made this seem like just another attack by Niflheim if he disguised himself similarly to how he tricked Noctis into thinking he was Prompto (we see this on the screen as Ifrit passes by). As far as hiding the fact that an Astral is walking the streets they could write it off as anyone who was close enough to see Ifrit was killed in his wake (as lazy as that would be). Could also easily write off the Mystic showing up unnoticed as that area of Insomnia being evacuated by then. It is a huge city and the area where we actually play in during the main game (also where this fight looks to be taking place) is a very small fraction of Insomnia overall. Ardyn could also just do this to see how it would go, then time stitch back to before he attacked Insomnia when it doesn't go his way.
Seeing the Mystic appear in his giant form in the most recent trailer also made me think that we could see the Dawn scene of Regis meeting with the Kings of Yore to discover his son's fate, but I wrote that idea off given the fact that the DLC is said to take place long before Noctis's birth. However if the later parts of the DLC are only about a decade before the game then we could very well still see this. I also feel like by giving us a member the Old Wall to fight during the invasion of Insomnia the devs have done their best to recreate Kingslglaive in a playable form like the fans have asked lol
As for the time that this DLC take place, I have a feeling that only the scenes of Ardyn being rescued from Angelgard and taking down Ifrit are 30+ years ago. The attack on Insomnia could have taken place only a little over a decade before FFXV proper. Ardyn very well could have made this seem like just another attack by Niflheim if he disguised himself similarly to how he tricked Noctis into thinking he was Prompto (we see this on the screen as Ifrit passes by). As far as hiding the fact that an Astral is walking the streets they could write it off as anyone who was close enough to see Ifrit was killed in his wake (as lazy as that would be). Could also easily write off the Mystic showing up unnoticed as that area of Insomnia being evacuated by then. It is a huge city and the area where we actually play in during the main game (also where this fight looks to be taking place) is a very small fraction of Insomnia overall. Ardyn could also just do this to see how it would go, then time stitch back to before he attacked Insomnia when it doesn't go his way.
Seeing the Mystic appear in his giant form in the most recent trailer also made me think that we could see the Dawn scene of Regis meeting with the Kings of Yore to discover his son's fate, but I wrote that idea off given the fact that the DLC is said to take place long before Noctis's birth. However if the later parts of the DLC are only about a decade before the game then we could very well still see this. I also feel like by giving us a member the Old Wall to fight during the invasion of Insomnia the devs have done their best to recreate Kingslglaive in a playable form like the fans have asked lol
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Indeed, I'm currently considering Episode: Ardyn to be the main game's 'alternate prologue' of sorts in Kingsglaive's place in my opinion, depending on how things go and exactly how things'll go, and I'm looking forward to see what happens exactly in it. It's also a great time to be an Ardyn fan like me.
I'd like to know what the bonus mode and bonus fight for Episode Ardyn are going to be. Gladio had a score attack mode, Prompto had those awful snowmobile time trials, and Ignis had Verse 2 for their bonus modes and they made sense within the context of their respective episodes. So I'm curious as to what kind of extra mode Ardyn could be given that would fit within the context of his DLC and be unique to him.
Now this is just a wild guess on my part but I think I saw a score counter in a few of the clips for the DLC so maybe the extra mode could have you go through Insomnia and just cause as much chaos as you can to rack up the highest score possible. The more destruction caused, the higher the score and different tiers unlock different prizes to be used in the episode itself and the main game.
As for his bonus fight, if they hadn't pulled out Noctis for Episode Ignis he would've been my first guess but now I'm not so sure as to who is left that could be turned into a bonus boss. General rule of thumb in all the bonus fights has been that none of them are repeated bosses from the campaign of the Episodes so that rules out all the people we're gonna face within the story. So maybe Nyx? I don't think a Somnus boss fight is confirmed within the story yet so maybe Somnus is the extra boss. (Edit: referring to non Lucii Somnus)
Oh well, whatever the case may be, it should be cool to see what extra goodies are in the DLC especially since it seems it might be a dollar or two extra compared to the previous Episodes judging by the Japanese pricing.
Now this is just a wild guess on my part but I think I saw a score counter in a few of the clips for the DLC so maybe the extra mode could have you go through Insomnia and just cause as much chaos as you can to rack up the highest score possible. The more destruction caused, the higher the score and different tiers unlock different prizes to be used in the episode itself and the main game.
As for his bonus fight, if they hadn't pulled out Noctis for Episode Ignis he would've been my first guess but now I'm not so sure as to who is left that could be turned into a bonus boss. General rule of thumb in all the bonus fights has been that none of them are repeated bosses from the campaign of the Episodes so that rules out all the people we're gonna face within the story. So maybe Nyx? I don't think a Somnus boss fight is confirmed within the story yet so maybe Somnus is the extra boss. (Edit: referring to non Lucii Somnus)
Oh well, whatever the case may be, it should be cool to see what extra goodies are in the DLC especially since it seems it might be a dollar or two extra compared to the previous Episodes judging by the Japanese pricing.
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Year things: Sylva said it jumps, or what he knows jumps as he said before they didnt finish the scenes with the others and he was wondering how much would be in the animation. The reddit mods suggested it jumps around time periods too, they also discussed that people are assuming it'll have an extra battle but because it's out of another set of dlc that it could be different.
Sylva did say ages ago they had Insomnia done before, but made changes to what we got in the expanded one. The mods also said something about promo images having expanded Insomnia before we even got it.
So I think Sylva was right about them having it before, but why we didn't get that is just idk. Feels like some people know what's going on.
Sylva did say ages ago they had Insomnia done before, but made changes to what we got in the expanded one. The mods also said something about promo images having expanded Insomnia before we even got it.
So I think Sylva was right about them having it before, but why we didn't get that is just idk. Feels like some people know what's going on.
What if the entire attack is part of an alternate timeline or something, where instead of staying in Nifflehiem and turning its king into his puppet and preparing for an assault a few decades later Ardyn decides instead to attack Nifflehiem right away?
Just an idea. And on that note I think it would be pretty neat that if you play things out canonically during the episode you get to see a 5-10 minute cutscene showcasing a condensed version of the events of Kingsglaive.
Just an idea. And on that note I think it would be pretty neat that if you play things out canonically during the episode you get to see a 5-10 minute cutscene showcasing a condensed version of the events of Kingsglaive.