Who else would it be? I thought that is what we were speculating... The signs in Insomnia now even have a round disk over the old skull image making it look even more train-like. You can't deny there is a strong sence that that light energy is going through the gate in that entity... Remember this was created 10 years ago
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Are you trolling? There are quite a few identifiable monsters in the video including summons like leviathan, titan (possibly the three guardian figures in the Dawn trailer), all the main characters in the Regalia and what looks like a hooded summon (Death/Diabolos??) directly above and behind the car. Also, if you have seen the first episode of Brotherhood something from that is in there as well. Oh and St--uh Luna seems to be present as well. There is absolutely nothing random about Big Bang.
I'm not trolling. I spy with my little eye a naga, an arachne and a bomb. All three of these are just "normal" monsters with no plot significance, so there's precedent for things in the Big Bang art indeed being "random". Other figures include probably a gigas- another normal enemy- and other unidentifiable figures that could be anything. The figure you mention is likely not a summon- all the summons seem to be located on the right in this art. The fact that there is a female in the art does not mean it is Luna, especially with Amano's styling. The "doomtrain" also doesn't have wheels, a smokestack, nothing to indicate that it's a train. Add to that that it's fairly short- its silhouette shortly trails off into other monsters- and the only thing it's got identifying it as Doomtrain is that it's... what? Vaguely serpentine? You're jumping to an enormous number of conclusions.
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I agree with @Death Penalty completely. Also, how do you know that circle of light is a "gate"? What if it's just... you know... a circle of light? Even if it was a "gate", how does that connect with it being Doomtrain or anything to do with anything you mentioned?
I think all of the stuff revolving around FNC or the "light of expiring souls" is completely removed from the game at this point.
I think all of the stuff revolving around FNC or the "light of expiring souls" is completely removed from the game at this point.
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Well, I didn't originally think it was a gate, but someone else on Mognet indicated it as being such and when you look at the Lucian sigil, that circle sure looks like some sort of gate. Plus ideas of death and multiple planes of existence or chanels is certainly not a new concept in FF (lifestream anyone?) Mainly its the fact that the hole in the thing Noctis's crew is on top of is more or less in the same location as the hole in the Lucian sigil. We know both of these things were created 10 years ago-back when the project was connected to FNC by name. Don't you think if the lore had really changed so much, they would have asked Amano-san to create a new work entirely, one which better reflected this totally different world?
The thing is, we don't know if the work has been edited or what, and even if it hadn't been the art is so generic that there are a hundred explanations for what we've seen.
By the way, I'm not trying to shut you down here in any way, just sharing my two cents on the matter. So if I seem rude to you in any way, know that I don't mean any harm with my words here.
By the way, I'm not trying to shut you down here in any way, just sharing my two cents on the matter. So if I seem rude to you in any way, know that I don't mean any harm with my words here.
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I've looked long and hard at that artwork, and even through the 3D. And I've also looked at it through the lens of how they are portraying the world in XV. This is what I saw: the beings on the left appear to represent the human world (three non-human figures are possibly the strange beings from the Dawn Trailer). Regalia with Noctis and his friends is clearly visible on top of what I think is just a monster, while the female human figure is probably Luna. On the right side are the mythical beings that guard the world, such as Leviathan and Titan. As to the woman in the middle... it might not even be a woman. We all know Amano.
The artwork is in line with what Nojima said about the story of Versus XIII (a clash between "Myth" and "Reality"), and fits in with the story as revamped for XV. It also fits in with the later "Myth" artwork, which shows the forces of humanity (blessed by a "goddess" figure) in conflict with the Archeans and other monsters. Oh, and as to the "light of expiring souls" bit, I think they've kept that and the circumstances surrounding it in the narrative (blurb and interviews about the Dawn trailer told about Noctis relieving power after a near-death incident, which was paraphrased as being "chosen by the stars"). The whole mythical framework is just not as pronounced as it was.
Oh, and RetroPS4, I'm bound to agree with other commentators on this point: that's not a gate, it represents the moon. The moon's still key to the revamped story, but it's the moon.
The artwork is in line with what Nojima said about the story of Versus XIII (a clash between "Myth" and "Reality"), and fits in with the story as revamped for XV. It also fits in with the later "Myth" artwork, which shows the forces of humanity (blessed by a "goddess" figure) in conflict with the Archeans and other monsters. Oh, and as to the "light of expiring souls" bit, I think they've kept that and the circumstances surrounding it in the narrative (blurb and interviews about the Dawn trailer told about Noctis relieving power after a near-death incident, which was paraphrased as being "chosen by the stars"). The whole mythical framework is just not as pronounced as it was.
Oh, and RetroPS4, I'm bound to agree with other commentators on this point: that's not a gate, it represents the moon. The moon's still key to the revamped story, but it's the moon.
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Yeah, moon makes a lot of sense, lol.
@Death Penalty ha ha, sorry I was being a bit forcefull as well. I'm just sort of antsy to figure out what else has really changed... Tabata and Nomura treated the reveal of information so differently, I certainly don't want the story spoiled, I just want to know what else they have changed without telling us. Really as it stands, most of the lore in the world is a total mystery (unless it is still similar to before). I wish they could at least confirm what else (that we already had been told about) is no longer part of the game. Generally, the answer given when posing such questions is: "we aren't ready to talk about that yet." It can get a bit trying.
Edit: @SonOfEtro, Did Tabata actually answer this question directly then?
@Death Penalty ha ha, sorry I was being a bit forcefull as well. I'm just sort of antsy to figure out what else has really changed... Tabata and Nomura treated the reveal of information so differently, I certainly don't want the story spoiled, I just want to know what else they have changed without telling us. Really as it stands, most of the lore in the world is a total mystery (unless it is still similar to before). I wish they could at least confirm what else (that we already had been told about) is no longer part of the game. Generally, the answer given when posing such questions is: "we aren't ready to talk about that yet." It can get a bit trying.
Edit: @SonOfEtro, Did Tabata actually answer this question directly then?
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Ah, now you come to mention it, it wasn't in interviews. Sorry. I'm going by official blurb below (coming after all the substantial lore-based changes were made):
http://gematsu.com/2013/06/final-fantasy-xv-staff-characters-development-detailed
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/final-...-second-hug-cool-dog-and-not-much-else-464579
http://gematsu.com/2013/06/final-fantasy-xv-staff-characters-development-detailed
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/final-...-second-hug-cool-dog-and-not-much-else-464579
I think if anything if that is Doomtrain, there might be an actual connection with the Lucian ring and the one mentioned in FFVIII depicting the ring being that of a royal line. The rings looks very similar to each other, but I believe there's more to it than just that (if a connection even truly exists).
The ring from FFVIII (referenced previously on Mognet I believe) is from the Occult Fan III where it depicts a ring believed to have "belonged to a royal family" which is quite clearly referencing Seal of Solomon, the famous ring owned by King Solomon. Interestingly, as explained in the etymology section of the FF Wiki, the ring allows Solomon to control demons at his own will. The demon named Glasya-Labolas is the Japanese name given to Doomtrain which is one of the demons depicted in Goetia.
So, where is the connection here? Well, I believe if Doomtrain does exist, and there's a connection to Lucian line, it could have something to do with the ring. Given that Lucis worships the reapers, and the reapers are depicted as doing the bidding of the four in the center of the Genesis artwork, it's likely that they are able to command these demonic beings through some means. Doomtrain being another example of a demonic creature might imply that the abilities of the ring extend to the ability to control these demonic creatures.
I believe that this might also fall in line with the Shakespearean quote that was referenced back in the early days of Versus XIII, "there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so". To this, it might suggest that controlling these demons in the eyes of man is a bad thing, perhaps they toy with the idea of death?
Anyways... I think it's very possible for Doomtrain to exist in this game, although, I don't know if this is necessarily Doomtrain. It would be pretty cool if you were able to control demons as Noctis though...
The ring from FFVIII (referenced previously on Mognet I believe) is from the Occult Fan III where it depicts a ring believed to have "belonged to a royal family" which is quite clearly referencing Seal of Solomon, the famous ring owned by King Solomon. Interestingly, as explained in the etymology section of the FF Wiki, the ring allows Solomon to control demons at his own will. The demon named Glasya-Labolas is the Japanese name given to Doomtrain which is one of the demons depicted in Goetia.
So, where is the connection here? Well, I believe if Doomtrain does exist, and there's a connection to Lucian line, it could have something to do with the ring. Given that Lucis worships the reapers, and the reapers are depicted as doing the bidding of the four in the center of the Genesis artwork, it's likely that they are able to command these demonic beings through some means. Doomtrain being another example of a demonic creature might imply that the abilities of the ring extend to the ability to control these demonic creatures.
I believe that this might also fall in line with the Shakespearean quote that was referenced back in the early days of Versus XIII, "there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so". To this, it might suggest that controlling these demons in the eyes of man is a bad thing, perhaps they toy with the idea of death?
Anyways... I think it's very possible for Doomtrain to exist in this game, although, I don't know if this is necessarily Doomtrain. It would be pretty cool if you were able to control demons as Noctis though...
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Very convincing: definitely think the four humans from the Genesis artwork represent the royal line and their attendants. The one in the middle with the halo and swords is probably the legendary progenitor of the Caelum line. By the way, the Shakespeare quote was said by developers to be used to express the darker atmosphere Nomura wanted rather than tie into the plot, so I wouldn't read much into it.
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Ah, alright, I figured they would at least use the quote for what it was in context with the game not just for some weird setting... This only solidifies the idea that the whole bull shit Hamlet traitor connections that people try to ham fist into the game are all for nought, so it's better this way.
Thanks, the speculating about the royal ring is quite fascinating and makes a fair ammount of sense. Hopefully someting like that is part of the plot!
Fyi, I don't think the Hamlet betrayal idea is that far fetched actually...The team seems to have been somewhat influenced by GOT, judging by the changes to Regis, and the casting for Kingsglaive. That story itself, is highly political and full of treachery like Hamlet
Fyi, I don't think the Hamlet betrayal idea is that far fetched actually...The team seems to have been somewhat influenced by GOT, judging by the changes to Regis, and the casting for Kingsglaive. That story itself, is highly political and full of treachery like Hamlet
except with a lot of explicit nudity, lol).
Influenced by GOT or whatever is not enough to warrant something as ridiculous as that. If anyone will betray anyone, it will be outside of the main cast. There is no logical reason for anyone within the main party to betray anyone, as logically it wouldn't make sense for their characters. No one has ever brought forth any reason why Prompto would be a traitor despite countless people wishing it to be so.
If anyone here believes in a traitor, I would like to hear why they think so.
If anyone here believes in a traitor, I would like to hear why they think so.
Oh yeah, not the main party, of course! Many speculated the betrayal (if it is/was part of anything) would be within Regis's councel--that's the Hamlet connection. People thought that the older guy standing behind Regis (depicted in cg all the way up until we found out Regis design was different in the final game) might be his brother. He may well be cut from the game at this point, but I'm pretty sure that he was the only reason people thought about Hamlet to begin with, of course some thought Romeo and Julliet with Noctis and Stella, but THAT is totally fabricated fan-fiction, lol. There was never a R&J story.
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I initially thought in posting this finding in one of the Platinum Demo threads but that would be necroposting, so instead I will post here.
There seens to be a way to indefinetely sprint in the Platinum Demo, uncertain if this mechanique will be present in the final game.
There seens to be a way to indefinetely sprint in the Platinum Demo, uncertain if this mechanique will be present in the final game.
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XV team influenced by GOT? The first time I've heard of that.
I'll have to try this at some point, looks fun! Thanks for sharing.
My theory about Prompto is actually that
I'll have to try this at some point, looks fun! Thanks for sharing.
My theory about Prompto is actually that
he has an incurable disease and knows his time is drawing to a close, so he takes many pictures of his last journey with his buddies. He look sickly and pale for a reason, right? Right?
Wow, never considered that, though it's all just theories at this point (just four months to go!). It would tie into this apparently being the saddest mainline Final Fantasy to date. Personally
I'll be very surprised if the entire party and Luna make it through without one of them dying/getting fate similar to death. As for Regis, I've no idea: he could be dead, or faking death for some reason of his own (maybe related to his son being "chosen by the stars").