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No.
How many times to people have to say the same thing? This is an HD remake of a PSP game released years ago in Japan only. The game isn't that great to begin with, and you're expecting godlike numbers out of it. We don't know what Square expects out of the sales for Type-0 HD still, the only thing we do know is that they celebrated shipping 1 million units.
And when do you think they will sell half of their shipped units back to Square Enix?
Okay, first off, the XIII trilogy may have been poorly received, but it's hardly hurt the brand in any meaningful way. As for XIV ARR, you should have stuck to something you actually know about.
500K was taken as an active subscription number with 2.5 million registered users, this does NOT include users from China which would have increased this number by over 1 million based on the pre-orders being over 1 million from China alone, bringing the total registered users somewhere over 3.5 million. Sora and Rin have both stated that they've surpassed 4 million registered users now.
Compare this to the biggest going MMO of all time WoW, which in 2014 had 10 million "subscribers", which DOES include Chinese players in which they state that users who log in at least once every month are considered "subscribers". Since when has being considered the second most popular MMO next to WoW and topping XI's peak in it's infancy considered a bad thing? Try and find an MMO doing better than XIV that isn't WoW with this pay model, you're not going to find one. ESO and Wildstar are examples of MMOs that crumbled while XIV still shines and moving forward fantastically coming up on their first expansion in just two months from now.
Well, I wouldn't expect the masses to buy a mediocre PSP port to play a demo. I'm not really going to repeat myself here. This last part I really don't even have words for.
You are wrong, that's just all I have to say.
Thank you both for clearing that up.
How many times to people have to say the same thing? This is an HD remake of a PSP game released years ago in Japan only. The game isn't that great to begin with, and you're expecting godlike numbers out of it. We don't know what Square expects out of the sales for Type-0 HD still, the only thing we do know is that they celebrated shipping 1 million units.
And when do you think they will sell half of their shipped units back to Square Enix?
Okay, first off, the XIII trilogy may have been poorly received, but it's hardly hurt the brand in any meaningful way. As for XIV ARR, you should have stuck to something you actually know about.
500K was taken as an active subscription number with 2.5 million registered users, this does NOT include users from China which would have increased this number by over 1 million based on the pre-orders being over 1 million from China alone, bringing the total registered users somewhere over 3.5 million. Sora and Rin have both stated that they've surpassed 4 million registered users now.
Compare this to the biggest going MMO of all time WoW, which in 2014 had 10 million "subscribers", which DOES include Chinese players in which they state that users who log in at least once every month are considered "subscribers". Since when has being considered the second most popular MMO next to WoW and topping XI's peak in it's infancy considered a bad thing? Try and find an MMO doing better than XIV that isn't WoW with this pay model, you're not going to find one. ESO and Wildstar are examples of MMOs that crumbled while XIV still shines and moving forward fantastically coming up on their first expansion in just two months from now.
Well, I wouldn't expect the masses to buy a mediocre PSP port to play a demo. I'm not really going to repeat myself here. This last part I really don't even have words for.
You are wrong, that's just all I have to say.
Thank you both for clearing that up.
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It has over 4 million accounts made, which includes people that played FFXIV 1.0, signed up for the original ARR Beta, and those that bought ARR. The actual number of worldwide subscribers is 500K. People like you are falling victim to how Square Enix are writing that "4 million accounts" statement. After all, a person can buy ARR and make an account without ever subscribing, as the game comes with a 30 Day Free Trial.
Anyway, a source to back me up:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/square-enix-mmo-trio-fails-to-muster-1m-subscribers/0143457
Anyway, a source to back me up:
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/square-enix-mmo-trio-fails-to-muster-1m-subscribers/0143457
Your point isn't much of a refutation, as it only adds to my argument. You can buy Type-0 HD brand new from Amazon cheaper than a brand new Type-0 for PSP from an Amazon merchant. This could be because Type-0 on PSP is now rare in Japan, though. Still, Type-0 HD with FFXV: Episode Duscae is cheaper than Type-0 on PSP.
Bomba.
Your response was scattershot at best. FFXIV ARR doesn't employ a subscription model in China so you're already wrong before you even started. The game has 500K subscribers worldwide, with a pay-per-minute model in China. The bottom line is simple: There may be over 4 million accounts of FFXIV ARR made, but there's only 500K actual subscribers. It don't matter what the purpose of the source article was, as Square Enix outright say ARR has 500K subscribers.
Also, only shipping 1 million for Type-0 HD is not something to be proud about, especially considering it came with FFXV: Episode Duscae. Had this been a cheaply upscaled Fallout 3 HD with a playable demo of Fallout 4, I guarantee it would have shipped well over 5 million worldwide, possibly even hitting 10 million LTD. I don't see Type-0 HD even selling through it's original 1 million shipment, yet alone getting another one.
Bomba.
Your response was scattershot at best. FFXIV ARR doesn't employ a subscription model in China so you're already wrong before you even started. The game has 500K subscribers worldwide, with a pay-per-minute model in China. The bottom line is simple: There may be over 4 million accounts of FFXIV ARR made, but there's only 500K actual subscribers. It don't matter what the purpose of the source article was, as Square Enix outright say ARR has 500K subscribers.
Also, only shipping 1 million for Type-0 HD is not something to be proud about, especially considering it came with FFXV: Episode Duscae. Had this been a cheaply upscaled Fallout 3 HD with a playable demo of Fallout 4, I guarantee it would have shipped well over 5 million worldwide, possibly even hitting 10 million LTD. I don't see Type-0 HD even selling through it's original 1 million shipment, yet alone getting another one.
I consider myself a hardcore FF fan, but it's one of the first times I've skipped buying an FF game on day one. Even the FF15 demo wasn't enough for me to consider it worth the asking price of a PSP port, which should have been released on Vita, as well. It's simply not worth the price or getting that excited for. You really cannot suggest FF15 is gonna suffer hugely based on this at all. You can make the assumption that this and the FF13 trilogy have turned people away from the series, but you can bet a lot of fans don't give a shit about anything FF related until FF15 comes along.
To be clear, I actually ain't expecting massive early sales for FF15 like those of previous mainline entries - I think it's clear for all to see that there is a decline in RPG sales, as well as console sales in Japan - but you can't use Type-0 to suggest major implications on the series itself in the future.
Using UK charts to gauge an RPG's success isn't wise, either. I live in the UK and we don't give a shit about JRPGs in general. This handheld port on only next-gen systems was always gonna perform badly here.
To be clear, I actually ain't expecting massive early sales for FF15 like those of previous mainline entries - I think it's clear for all to see that there is a decline in RPG sales, as well as console sales in Japan - but you can't use Type-0 to suggest major implications on the series itself in the future.
Using UK charts to gauge an RPG's success isn't wise, either. I live in the UK and we don't give a shit about JRPGs in general. This handheld port on only next-gen systems was always gonna perform badly here.
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To be honest, there's many FF fans in NA/EU that don't buy them when the release, as they know they will eventually drop in price a few weeks down the line. It happened with LR FFXIII and is also happening with Type-0 HD. However, that shows that the Western fanbase isn't as dedicated to "Day 1" purchasing FF games like they were in the PS1/PS2 era.
FFXV will sell less than FFXIII is Japan. That's a given at this point. However, the point of contention is how well it will do in the West. Personally, I feel the lack of mainstream interest in the FFXV demo shows that there will be a lack of interest in the final game. FFXV will only sell more than FFXIII in NA/EU if it scores 90+ on Metacritic and has a huge advertising campaign. Scoring in the 80's is not enough, as FFXIII scored in the 80's and was still heavily disliked by many that bought it.
As for using UK charts, the NA and Japan charts also show how poorly Type-0 HD performed. The mainstream just weren't interested in both it and FFXV: Episode Duscae. FF brand isn't what it once was.
FFXV will sell less than FFXIII is Japan. That's a given at this point. However, the point of contention is how well it will do in the West. Personally, I feel the lack of mainstream interest in the FFXV demo shows that there will be a lack of interest in the final game. FFXV will only sell more than FFXIII in NA/EU if it scores 90+ on Metacritic and has a huge advertising campaign. Scoring in the 80's is not enough, as FFXIII scored in the 80's and was still heavily disliked by many that bought it.
As for using UK charts, the NA and Japan charts also show how poorly Type-0 HD performed. The mainstream just weren't interested in both it and FFXV: Episode Duscae. FF brand isn't what it once was.
Sure, the mainline series is fine... For now. It won't be long until that will see a sales collapse if the mainstream keep losing interest in FF. The way I see it, FFXV could be the lowest selling mainline, 3D FF. That's why I say it needs to score 90+ on Metacritic and have a huge advertising campaign. Also, for your information, FFXII has sold over 6 million worldwide. The lowest selling 3D mainline entry is possibly FFIX.
I do agree with many points there. I could have waited for a drop on LR, because I saw how quickly 13-2 dropped...and games in general in the UK. It's pretty insane in this country how quickly everything drops now. I bought LR day one, though, because I'm a fucking sucker for pre-order bonuses (part of the problem), and I did have an attachment to the trilogy that I wanted to see through. But, boy, when I saw how quickly LR dropped, I made the decision to wait on Type-0, on top of the fact I really wasn't feeling it at all with that one. I didn't agree with the price for a handheld port, skipping Vita, and the demo wasn't tempting to me (I'd rather play the full game) - so waiting it out seems logical, and I think it's what many people are doing with it.
It's hard to judge at this point. I do think FFXV won't be the massive success some expect it to be. Lots of people have given up on it after now being 10 years older. I think SE has its work cut out, and has to really push XV to the masses as best it can. It's not going to be a walk in the park in the slightest. It's a difficult one, though, because I'm not convinced by the total real time approach to the game. Although I haven't played the demo to form an opinion, it's not exactly what makes me tick, and I wonder how many FF fans of old feel the same.
It's hard to judge at this point. I do think FFXV won't be the massive success some expect it to be. Lots of people have given up on it after now being 10 years older. I think SE has its work cut out, and has to really push XV to the masses as best it can. It's not going to be a walk in the park in the slightest. It's a difficult one, though, because I'm not convinced by the total real time approach to the game. Although I haven't played the demo to form an opinion, it's not exactly what makes me tick, and I wonder how many FF fans of old feel the same.