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No connection has been revealed officially, though some people are speculating there might be a connection. I just took it as being a fun easter egg/reference type thing.
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Now that I looked into translation it fits quite nicely with Ardyn's story. I guess we will see :0
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It's true that the "super happy ending" doesn't have to be treated as an ideal solution and it could require the sacrifice of something else of value. My concern is that that's not how they're selling it. And I don't think that allowing the difference to simply be the amount of value the characters place on the gods and the prophecy really works if there's no practical benefit (whether physical or spiritual) to valuing the gods and the prophecy but plenty of practical benefit to being defiant.
Well, my issue is less with the idea that freely willed human actions can interfere with the outcome offered by the prophecy and more with the idea that the solution offered by the prophecy could be one-upped by the characters rejecting the only known solution and succeeding because the rules of the universe literally change to suit their whims (I'm looking at you, FFXIII). If they wanted to make an alternate ending where Noct tried to succeed where Ardyn had failed and caused a catastrophe, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with that.
Bad decision making and lack of morality is true of the elemental Astrals, who basically reflect forces of nature, but Bahamut seems significantly more stable than the rest of them, and he's the one who came up with the King-and-Oracle plan. He's more like an archangel than a theistic god, granted, but I'd much prefer that he remain essentially good and noble within that role, even if he can be wrong (say, in putting his faith in Noct even in an ending where Noct's disobedience leads to catastrophe).
You don't have to worry that I took your statements as an attack on my faith. My frustration is entirely with certain cliche ways in which fictional works (particularly JRPGs) set human agency and freedom over against religiously-charged supernatural beings that want to keep them down, not with anything specific to the discussion we've been having.
Well, my issue is less with the idea that freely willed human actions can interfere with the outcome offered by the prophecy and more with the idea that the solution offered by the prophecy could be one-upped by the characters rejecting the only known solution and succeeding because the rules of the universe literally change to suit their whims (I'm looking at you, FFXIII). If they wanted to make an alternate ending where Noct tried to succeed where Ardyn had failed and caused a catastrophe, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with that.
Bad decision making and lack of morality is true of the elemental Astrals, who basically reflect forces of nature, but Bahamut seems significantly more stable than the rest of them, and he's the one who came up with the King-and-Oracle plan. He's more like an archangel than a theistic god, granted, but I'd much prefer that he remain essentially good and noble within that role, even if he can be wrong (say, in putting his faith in Noct even in an ending where Noct's disobedience leads to catastrophe).
You don't have to worry that I took your statements as an attack on my faith. My frustration is entirely with certain cliche ways in which fictional works (particularly JRPGs) set human agency and freedom over against religiously-charged supernatural beings that want to keep them down, not with anything specific to the discussion we've been having.
one thing makes me curious. how play as luna? she doesn't know how to combat. her episode won't be just walking around and cutscene.
maybe her moveset same like Yuna in dissidia012
maybe her moveset same like Yuna in dissidia012
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If it's anything like the datamine I think she'll play okay, especially as a party member
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is that bahamut with the same movesets and attack patterns from comrades?
that's incredible
this is like a FFXV theme park ;P
that's incredible
this is like a FFXV theme park ;P
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spoilers for Ep Aranea
im sorry
im sorry
It was subtle but, I was thought at the back of my mind that these 2 suited each other. There were times were I thought Aranea had a slight thing for Ignis too going by her comments.
For me, she struck me as being snarky yet playful to everyone else. For Ignis, it was a bit different for some reason. I don't know how to describe it other than one of those things that you pick up on yet you can't explain why without refering to intuition as a reason.
I'm not usually one for shipping too.
I've always though Ignis is gay. He never shows his sexual preferences but i see him more with a man than a women.
But if he's made oficially gay some people would mistake his devotion to his dutties and Noct as something romantic, and that's clearly not the intention for the developers.
But if he's made oficially gay some people would mistake his devotion to his dutties and Noct as something romantic, and that's clearly not the intention for the developers.
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We could see if they release a video sneak peek of Episode: Ardyn, if it has has 'Extra Verse' or something similar beneath 'Continue', like they sneak previewed Episode: Ignis' opening back in the ATR in November 29th, or a trophy list if it mentions a 'Verse Two', I think we should be able to calm down and relax about whether the DLC's main routes will be canon or not.
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We've been talking about not wanting an alternative ending, but during months people has been asking for the return of Versus XIII, so maybe with this expansion (season pass 2) the game will add to the lore everything related to Fabula Nova Cristalis. The time travel, dreams of Noctis and the Cristal using the power of the dead.
With this three elements we have all the peaces necesary to learn about events where Noctis wasn't there, a motive to refuse the power of the Cristal and a tool to go against the gods.
All this elements work well with what we already have, so this way in a single playthrough we play as all the other characters/dlc and once Noctis awakes from the Cristal you decide if follow the rules of the ambiguous gods or defy them by using Umbra.
Having two separate endings tied with the same story and lore.
That's what i can see as "something everyone wished for".
We can even have a final version of the game called "Final Fantasy XV: Versus"
Due the new content being about defying what has been imposed to us or defeating every challenge for a better future for the rest"
PD: Maybe in the new ending we time travel to the origin of the starscourge, destroying it with older Noctis, but because that, having a future were everyone is happy but with noticable changes.
"Save the world or rebuild it".
Maybe the starcouge was caused by the Astral War and we have to kill them in that moment.
With this three elements we have all the peaces necesary to learn about events where Noctis wasn't there, a motive to refuse the power of the Cristal and a tool to go against the gods.
All this elements work well with what we already have, so this way in a single playthrough we play as all the other characters/dlc and once Noctis awakes from the Cristal you decide if follow the rules of the ambiguous gods or defy them by using Umbra.
Having two separate endings tied with the same story and lore.
That's what i can see as "something everyone wished for".
We can even have a final version of the game called "Final Fantasy XV: Versus"
Due the new content being about defying what has been imposed to us or defeating every challenge for a better future for the rest"
PD: Maybe in the new ending we time travel to the origin of the starscourge, destroying it with older Noctis, but because that, having a future were everyone is happy but with noticable changes.
"Save the world or rebuild it".
Maybe the starcouge was caused by the Astral War and we have to kill them in that moment.
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the setting of FFXV is massively underused
"underused" is actually a fitting word for the game's main problems.
it just feels like a great game that missed the opportunity to become a masterpiece (im talking about FFXV, not Versus), hopefully we get closer to the ideal version next year.
"underused" is actually a fitting word for the game's main problems.
it just feels like a great game that missed the opportunity to become a masterpiece (im talking about FFXV, not Versus), hopefully we get closer to the ideal version next year.
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Yeah, and while the state of FFXV's story is a lot better/getting better than it was at launch, and gaps in the story I wanted filled are filled/getting filled, the ones in my priorities that I posted earlier, I have to say that there are some presentation problems, and the pacing does feel a little wonky, and Ardyn and Aranea's Episodes will be the final steps completing the story for me in my eyes, but I understand that there are issues with the state with the game, don't get me wrong, I would've loved to get to explore a portion of Cartanica, but I feel the story is more important than an area, no matter how beautiful it is, a part of me feels, in my opinion.
I'm honestly very curious as to how early the changes in Noctis' episode take place. Does the road diverge at around the end when he gets out of the crystal as he says "fuck you" to Bahamut? or perhaps with Umbra playing a greater story role we get Noctis deciding to stick around during the invasion, save Insomnia, confront Ardyn who we know was there, and end the tragic journey before it even begins? That's something I'm curious to know. I'm really interested as to how they plan to set this alternative apart from the canon finale in terms of setting, scope, and execution.