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I kind of feel bad for Ray -- all he wanted to do was say something nice about the game and the way it retains player agency more consistently than previous FFs, but it somehow got misinterpreted into "the game doesn't have much of a story." =/
(Considering the amount of party banter in the game, I kind of suspect that it'll have more dialogue than FFXIII even if you can't make an 8hr compilation from the non-playable bits.)
(Considering the amount of party banter in the game, I kind of suspect that it'll have more dialogue than FFXIII even if you can't make an 8hr compilation from the non-playable bits.)
http://www.gamekyo.com/blog_article397460.html
The same article as Eurogamer, but with some additional and very interesting read about VersusXIII:
Rough translate:
Shotouts to official forums
https://forum.finalfantasyxv.com/di...why-versus-xiii-failed-nomuras-anxiety#latest
The same article as Eurogamer, but with some additional and very interesting read about VersusXIII:
Rough translate:
Shotouts to official forums
https://forum.finalfantasyxv.com/di...why-versus-xiii-failed-nomuras-anxiety#latest
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Interesting. Well it's all in the past now and I'm glad that in the present the game will be coming out in less than 30 days with a complete story.
I sense a lot of Nomura hate will be incoming.
He may not have finished the project but I'm grateful he came up with the concepts because we now have the game as it is today.
He at least needs to be acknowledged for that.
I sense a lot of Nomura hate will be incoming.
He may not have finished the project but I'm grateful he came up with the concepts because we now have the game as it is today.
He at least needs to be acknowledged for that.
Never ever gonna hate Nomura, he created the idea of this game in the first place. It would've not exist without him.
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Yup. Exactly this.
It's just sad that some forums like to bash either Tabata or Nomura, when in all honesty we should be grateful for both for what they both each brought to the table.
One for a wonderful idea and concept, and the other for turning it into a reality.
This game wouldn't have existed if not for both of them. Don't know why this is so hard to understand for some people.
It's just sad that some forums like to bash either Tabata or Nomura, when in all honesty we should be grateful for both for what they both each brought to the table.
One for a wonderful idea and concept, and the other for turning it into a reality.
This game wouldn't have existed if not for both of them. Don't know why this is so hard to understand for some people.
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@Jubileus, @Slaintimez, here's a slightly tidier translation of the Gamekyo article:
"Versus XIII continued to grow and grow on the paper to take the form of a game trilogy while no no significant technological advance was accomplished. The project consisted of a compilation of certainly excellent ideas that did not connect to each other. The first trailers were only conceptual and some elements like the opposition of Stella and Noctis and the streets of Insomnia were in Versus XIII in 2011, the role of Stella was very FNC-heavy but the character ultimately had very little screentime, the first game of the three had the aim of rescuing Stella from Niflheim restraint. The second game focused on the recovery of Insomnia and the third game staged Noctis against the gods. The failure came mainly from Nomura's poor management, who was floundering his team with technical problems no-one could solve."
Might still be a little rough, but that cuts out the Google Translate errors. On the whole, I don't think Stella would have been that impressive from this description. Even Lightning's role in XIII-2 sounds better than this.
EDIT: Just noticed something. XIII ended up with a trilogy with that basic structure (rescue, recover, deicide), while Versus/XV was condensed into a single game. It was initially going to be the other way round!
"Versus XIII continued to grow and grow on the paper to take the form of a game trilogy while no no significant technological advance was accomplished. The project consisted of a compilation of certainly excellent ideas that did not connect to each other. The first trailers were only conceptual and some elements like the opposition of Stella and Noctis and the streets of Insomnia were in Versus XIII in 2011, the role of Stella was very FNC-heavy but the character ultimately had very little screentime, the first game of the three had the aim of rescuing Stella from Niflheim restraint. The second game focused on the recovery of Insomnia and the third game staged Noctis against the gods. The failure came mainly from Nomura's poor management, who was floundering his team with technical problems no-one could solve."
Might still be a little rough, but that cuts out the Google Translate errors. On the whole, I don't think Stella would have been that impressive from this description. Even Lightning's role in XIII-2 sounds better than this.
EDIT: Just noticed something. XIII ended up with a trilogy with that basic structure (rescue, recover, deicide), while Versus/XV was condensed into a single game. It was initially going to be the other way round!
That looks even better looking than in the 2013 trailer. Fuck me sideways this is amazing.
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This is gold. Pure gold. I hope it's legit. It's everything I've been saying for months, so it feels almost too good to be true.
And the takeaway here is that FFXV really is still 90% FFXIII vs, just adapted for the mainline. Instead of rescuing Stella from Nifleheim in the first game, Nyx rescues Luna from Nifleheim in Kingsglaive. The first act of XV is probably taking back Insomnia, and after the fake ending a la FFVI, the real conflict happens, ie, the plague and the fighting of the gods, blah blah details.
And to Nomura fans, this doesn't make Nomura a bad person or incompetent. It just means a creative guy got put into an administrative role and it wasn't a good fit. That's OK. It doesn't mean he's not talented.
And the takeaway here is that FFXV really is still 90% FFXIII vs, just adapted for the mainline. Instead of rescuing Stella from Nifleheim in the first game, Nyx rescues Luna from Nifleheim in Kingsglaive. The first act of XV is probably taking back Insomnia, and after the fake ending a la FFVI, the real conflict happens, ie, the plague and the fighting of the gods, blah blah details.
And to Nomura fans, this doesn't make Nomura a bad person or incompetent. It just means a creative guy got put into an administrative role and it wasn't a good fit. That's OK. It doesn't mean he's not talented.
What's especially frustrating is that, given what I've heard about MGSV, we've probably already seen enough story stuff from XV to guarantee that there's more there then that game had. xD;
Are they just uncritically parroting the 4chan leak? >_>;
This was vaguely plausible before the Omen trailer, but it makes no sense to me that Nomura would have dropped the opposition between Noct and Stella when Tabata was able to work that dynamic into the Noct-Luna relationship. The context might have still been completely different, obviously ("What took you so long, Kairi?", anyone?), but dropping a revealed concept outright when he could just retool it would have been out of character for Nomura.
Are they just uncritically parroting the 4chan leak? >_>;
This was vaguely plausible before the Omen trailer, but it makes no sense to me that Nomura would have dropped the opposition between Noct and Stella when Tabata was able to work that dynamic into the Noct-Luna relationship. The context might have still been completely different, obviously ("What took you so long, Kairi?", anyone?), but dropping a revealed concept outright when he could just retool it would have been out of character for Nomura.
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I'm trying not to get too high on those quotes though. It's not 100% clear who actually says those words. Is it an actual report or someone's spin? It's just too good to believe, lol.
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