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I don't mind criticism about Versus at all, but flat out saying nonsense shouldn't be allowed. They had a complete freaking alpha at one point, playable to the very end, and I can quote that in two interviews.
The 20%, 25%, all that made up, mistranslated crap (I speak and read Japanese) is nonsense. They had a working alpha completed on devkits and then began to port it to PS3. They then found out some of the super intensive scenes (especially the entire Leviathan fight) flat out would not even run at valid frames on the final PS3, so that is when they hit a major wall and agreed to restructure.
The 20%, 25%, all that made up, mistranslated crap (I speak and read Japanese) is nonsense. They had a working alpha completed on devkits and then began to port it to PS3. They then found out some of the super intensive scenes (especially the entire Leviathan fight) flat out would not even run at valid frames on the final PS3, so that is when they hit a major wall and agreed to restructure.
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Who has been say this in the whole thread?
What´s the correlation between both topics? How someone having the opinion that FFXV is the FF ever makes them less informed in the medium than those who think the opposite?
"Popular" opinion is not a fact.
How does this relate to Versus again?
What´s the correlation between both topics? How someone having the opinion that FFXV is the FF ever makes them less informed in the medium than those who think the opposite?
"Popular" opinion is not a fact.
How does this relate to Versus again?
"The assumption was that we'd go ahead with a current-gen release, so went through a trial-and-error process to do as much as we could. So we built an alpha version about a year ago, and the company response was 'If you remained bound to the current generation, will it will be the product you envisioned?' They suggested shifting fully to next-gen, and that was the spark that led to the move." - Tetsuya Nomura, Polygon June 19th, 2013
"At this stage the alpha build was playable in its entirety and we conceived more innovative ways to expand development. The choice was considered at this point to stretch the alpha build into three separate episodes. At the time, I was unable to discuss this due to certain circumstances obviously." ~ Tetsuya Nomura, Famitsu June 22, 2013
Shall I keep going or do you want to say OK.
"At this stage the alpha build was playable in its entirety and we conceived more innovative ways to expand development. The choice was considered at this point to stretch the alpha build into three separate episodes. At the time, I was unable to discuss this due to certain circumstances obviously." ~ Tetsuya Nomura, Famitsu June 22, 2013
Shall I keep going or do you want to say OK.
There was a playable section in the 2011 trailer. More than just a concept if they had something playable. Again I said it existed at one point just not completed.
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I'm not even going to argue about Versus being completed in its alpha state. That means you have a fully playable game with textures and everything and it is simply being refined for beta testing and final development. Any attempt to argue that and it isn't even worth it anymore. These people do not know what they're talking about.
This is probably the worst analogy someone has ever went out of their way to type on this forum.
There is a massive difference between standing against a popular opinion (which contradicts your viewpoint of it) and being unreasonable to the point where its deterimental towards actual discussion. You'd have to dawn rose-tinted glasses to believe the former aligns with his (and your current) behavior.
Never said it was, but its quite fascinating how you're this hellbent on pushing a flawed narrative with little substence to support it. You've done enough exposure to convince others of not taking your crap seriously at all.
There is a massive difference between standing against a popular opinion (which contradicts your viewpoint of it) and being unreasonable to the point where its deterimental towards actual discussion. You'd have to dawn rose-tinted glasses to believe the former aligns with his (and your current) behavior.
Never said it was, but its quite fascinating how you're this hellbent on pushing a flawed narrative with little substence to support it. You've done enough exposure to convince others of not taking your crap seriously at all.
You know that is from 2013 aka FFXV, which is the build they showed at E3 in 2013 which is the very buid that Tabata stated he was tasked with creating, which he stated was only a prototype, right?
Versus was already changed to XV by July 2012, but of course you're going to pretend like that doesn't matter even though you said Versus had a completed alpha, yet Nomura is talking about FFXV there, not Versus. Versus was confirmed to be only 25% complete by July 2012 before they rebooted it to XV, and that is when Tabata joined the team as Co-director and he was tasked with creating a prototype build, which he created it set in the Citadel in Insomnia.
Except VERSUS did not have a fully playable alpha build from start to finish like you stated, it wasn't even 25% complete, and no, it isn't some made up mistranslation, it's direct statement and you're literally in denial.
http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/08/...-20-25-done-before-it-became-final-fantasy-15
Versus was already changed to XV by July 2012, but of course you're going to pretend like that doesn't matter even though you said Versus had a completed alpha, yet Nomura is talking about FFXV there, not Versus. Versus was confirmed to be only 25% complete by July 2012 before they rebooted it to XV, and that is when Tabata joined the team as Co-director and he was tasked with creating a prototype build, which he created it set in the Citadel in Insomnia.
Except VERSUS did not have a fully playable alpha build from start to finish like you stated, it wasn't even 25% complete, and no, it isn't some made up mistranslation, it's direct statement and you're literally in denial.
http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/08/...-20-25-done-before-it-became-final-fantasy-15
Being playable does not mean it existed as a complete game. Versus was only 25% complete by July 2012, it was only a concept game. You can still have something be playable and still only be a concept. Mother 3 on N64 for example.
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That gif was so awesome it cracked me the fuck up. I have nothing else to say.
Ohhh, and I am very sorry, and that was an awesome try at spin, but the entire article is titled "The state of Final Fantasy Versus XIII and Interview with Director Tetsuya Nomura". Also, Nomura is discussing the state of the game in its Fabula Nova vision and how he requested to split it into three. The last interview with his was some hilarious mistranslation where people said he wanted to turn it into a musical, but it was still awesome to read the American news article.
"The team also liked the concept of including certain musical elements like X2."
Turned into "FFXIII is now a musical."
Fucking awesome. OK, I'm too tired for message boards now lol.
Ohhh, and I am very sorry, and that was an awesome try at spin, but the entire article is titled "The state of Final Fantasy Versus XIII and Interview with Director Tetsuya Nomura". Also, Nomura is discussing the state of the game in its Fabula Nova vision and how he requested to split it into three. The last interview with his was some hilarious mistranslation where people said he wanted to turn it into a musical, but it was still awesome to read the American news article.
"The team also liked the concept of including certain musical elements like X2."
Turned into "FFXIII is now a musical."
Fucking awesome. OK, I'm too tired for message boards now lol.
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No the article is titled "Tetsuya Nomura explains why Versus 13 became Final fantasy 15". The only spin here is coming from you literally in denial and being incapable to read. Versus became XV in 2012 and was rebooted from the ground up, that is when they created an alpha for FINAL FANTASY XV which they showed at E3 2013, not Versus like you tried to claim. Stay objectively wrong.
Nomura said absolutely nothing about splitting the game into three.
And no that wasn't a mistranslation, Nomura even reconfirmed in the Kingdom Hearts interview with Shimomura a few days ago that he wanted to turn a game into a musical after seeing Les Misérables, he stated that he wanted to turn XV into a musical after seeing Les Misérables years ago. Once again you are objectively wrong.
Nomura said absolutely nothing about splitting the game into three.
And no that wasn't a mistranslation, Nomura even reconfirmed in the Kingdom Hearts interview with Shimomura a few days ago that he wanted to turn a game into a musical after seeing Les Misérables, he stated that he wanted to turn XV into a musical after seeing Les Misérables years ago. Once again you are objectively wrong.
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"If this project was to happen, Versus would not be seen as a "Remake" of XV but rather a parallel new/old project to the XV-Universe."
They've already got alternate realities, might as well, it's not like those that bought XV wouldn't buy it. Hell those that got XV will be like wow I get to play as Gladio, Ignis, and Prompto at the same time? I can control a magitek armor?, Insomnia explorable, oh my god is that Nyx? Yes Nyx would exist in Versus XV, wow I get to play as Nyx? Just show enough old, and show enough new, and you got sales. People love these characters, seeing more of them wouldn't hurt, just make sure you got enough new, and got enough old. That's my opinion at least.Oh and let's not forget that addictive gameplay, can XVI do such a feat?, have such characters that people care about as much as XV? The casuals will buy Versus XV, those that want Versus XIII will buy it, those that want a XV sequel will pick it up it just needs to be better.
I don't exactly see the problem, I mean if you look at the 2011 Trailer Regis said I will be the last king, so he wanted Noctis to live a normal life. Let's say XV is a failed cycle since Noctis died, so the timeline resets, so that Noctis lives(Versus XIII).
Call it the World of Versus Series consisting of
Final Fantasy Versus XV
Final Fantasy Versus XV-2
World of Versus: Final Fantasy Versus XV(Chocobros vs the mysterious Gods(I suggest Chaos and the four fiends for the Final bosses)
They've already got alternate realities, might as well, it's not like those that bought XV wouldn't buy it. Hell those that got XV will be like wow I get to play as Gladio, Ignis, and Prompto at the same time? I can control a magitek armor?, Insomnia explorable, oh my god is that Nyx? Yes Nyx would exist in Versus XV, wow I get to play as Nyx? Just show enough old, and show enough new, and you got sales. People love these characters, seeing more of them wouldn't hurt, just make sure you got enough new, and got enough old. That's my opinion at least.Oh and let's not forget that addictive gameplay, can XVI do such a feat?, have such characters that people care about as much as XV? The casuals will buy Versus XV, those that want Versus XIII will buy it, those that want a XV sequel will pick it up it just needs to be better.
I don't exactly see the problem, I mean if you look at the 2011 Trailer Regis said I will be the last king, so he wanted Noctis to live a normal life. Let's say XV is a failed cycle since Noctis died, so the timeline resets, so that Noctis lives(Versus XIII).
Call it the World of Versus Series consisting of
Final Fantasy Versus XV
Final Fantasy Versus XV-2
World of Versus: Final Fantasy Versus XV(Chocobros vs the mysterious Gods(I suggest Chaos and the four fiends for the Final bosses)
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Seriously though why the Alternate Realities
Omen can be called a dream, and there doesn't need to be an AU after the time skip that can just be the afterlife. I mean Alternate Realities opens the can of worms that allows for Versus XIII to happen whether it be called World of Versus or Versus XV. It allows for it to happen.
Especially after these World of Versus DLC rumors popping up, which could explain why on earth there is an AR after the timeskip, but if they are trying to please those that want/wanted Versus XIII, well they've lost the plot entirely, because unless the length of that DLC(Which I would assume they would try to make Versus XIII, I mean I hope they don't because that would be a waste of both Versus XIII, and DLC would be better to be Dark World. Now if it's more than just a DLC, and something like this. Then you got something special, that if is great people might actually buy, just market it right. Hell if marketed well, and it ends up being a great game/game series, then the entirety could end up outselling FFXIII's Trilogy, which I hope the 7 Remake does, like by a lot, because Jenova's eye nipples are more likable than the cast of FFXIII.
Rumors are fun to discuss
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/170014863/#170014863
However if World of Versus assuming it's true if it's a DLC, and tries to be Versus XIII in it's entirety, it's DOA, you'll just end up pissing off those that wanted Versus XIII, and those that wanted it would be indifferent either way, better idea to just call it the World of Dreams at that point, or Noct's Nightmare. Cuz World of Versus especially with that word in the title, yeah, and hell Tabata being attached to it as well, as director? Those that really want Versus XIII see the man as tainted as Ardyn after absorbing the Starscourge. Him+World of Versus just being a DLC = Absolute disaster.
If this World of Versus thing ends up being true, it has to be the current rumor, not the rumor of several days past, because if it is that one and not this one. Unless Tetsuya Nomura's name is attached as director cuz there is no way these people will trust Tabata like at all, and the expansion is over 60 hours long and close to 100 in pure story content, and contains everything from the Versus XIII 2011 Trailer, Noct and Stella's conversation, the 2013 Trailer Leviathan fight or close to it. Yeah at that point it's better to just make a series of games, because that DLC would be over 60 dollars, and ain't no one touching that. Cuz if it's 20 dollars, has about 15 hours of content, and they call it World of Versus, and Nomura isn't attached to it in anyway shape or form , it's DOA. Like Rest in Piece DOA. However if it's the current rumor, with let's say an DLC for FFXV that acts like a Prologue to it, then you know what, the DLC might sell enough to fund the game itself.
Omen can be called a dream, and there doesn't need to be an AU after the time skip that can just be the afterlife. I mean Alternate Realities opens the can of worms that allows for Versus XIII to happen whether it be called World of Versus or Versus XV. It allows for it to happen.
Especially after these World of Versus DLC rumors popping up, which could explain why on earth there is an AR after the timeskip, but if they are trying to please those that want/wanted Versus XIII, well they've lost the plot entirely, because unless the length of that DLC(Which I would assume they would try to make Versus XIII, I mean I hope they don't because that would be a waste of both Versus XIII, and DLC would be better to be Dark World. Now if it's more than just a DLC, and something like this. Then you got something special, that if is great people might actually buy, just market it right. Hell if marketed well, and it ends up being a great game/game series, then the entirety could end up outselling FFXIII's Trilogy, which I hope the 7 Remake does, like by a lot, because Jenova's eye nipples are more likable than the cast of FFXIII.
Rumors are fun to discuss
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/170014863/#170014863
However if World of Versus assuming it's true if it's a DLC, and tries to be Versus XIII in it's entirety, it's DOA, you'll just end up pissing off those that wanted Versus XIII, and those that wanted it would be indifferent either way, better idea to just call it the World of Dreams at that point, or Noct's Nightmare. Cuz World of Versus especially with that word in the title, yeah, and hell Tabata being attached to it as well, as director? Those that really want Versus XIII see the man as tainted as Ardyn after absorbing the Starscourge. Him+World of Versus just being a DLC = Absolute disaster.
If this World of Versus thing ends up being true, it has to be the current rumor, not the rumor of several days past, because if it is that one and not this one. Unless Tetsuya Nomura's name is attached as director cuz there is no way these people will trust Tabata like at all, and the expansion is over 60 hours long and close to 100 in pure story content, and contains everything from the Versus XIII 2011 Trailer, Noct and Stella's conversation, the 2013 Trailer Leviathan fight or close to it. Yeah at that point it's better to just make a series of games, because that DLC would be over 60 dollars, and ain't no one touching that. Cuz if it's 20 dollars, has about 15 hours of content, and they call it World of Versus, and Nomura isn't attached to it in anyway shape or form , it's DOA. Like Rest in Piece DOA. However if it's the current rumor, with let's say an DLC for FFXV that acts like a Prologue to it, then you know what, the DLC might sell enough to fund the game itself.
So that all this toxic nonsense stays here and doesn't spread to the other threads.
That's the only purpose of this thread. APZ said so himself.
That's the only purpose of this thread. APZ said so himself.
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