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I wouldn't say that the idea of alternate timelines as part of canon or tampering with time was necessarily implied by the Omen trailer. It was listed as an alternate universe in a presentation designed to show how the parts of the XV Universe fit together, true, but BD2 also made it clear that the CG house that developed the trailer were allowed to come up with their own interpretation of XV's concepts without being given exact instructions on what to show. As far as I can tell, the events in the Omen trailer (except, perhaps, for the dialogue) and the events in the game are entirely distinct rather than interdependent the way they would be had they been designed as canonical alternatives to each other.
With that said, Ardyn definitely has some degree of time powers given what happened in Chapter 10, so extending them from the ability to stop time and mask his appearance to the ability to undo a recent choice that resulted in massive failure wouldn't be that crazy. Likewise, it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable for Bahamut, as the source of the Lucis Caelum powers, to be able to do that, either.
All that really needs to be done to avoid the issues KH ran into with time travel is to combine simple rules with very limited use cases. Perhaps reversing time results in the timeline being literally written over and no one has the power to do so for periods longer than a day. If said power is given to Bahamut rather than Ardyn, it wouldn't even necessarily raise the question of why the power was never used during the main game, since Bahamut wouldn't really have any reason to undo anything. (Of course, if that's the path that was chosen, I would expect the Dawn of the Future path to involve Noct fighting Bahamut, taking that power for himself, and rewriting two thousand years worth of history to bring about the ultimate happy ending for everyone. =P )
With that said, Ardyn definitely has some degree of time powers given what happened in Chapter 10, so extending them from the ability to stop time and mask his appearance to the ability to undo a recent choice that resulted in massive failure wouldn't be that crazy. Likewise, it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable for Bahamut, as the source of the Lucis Caelum powers, to be able to do that, either.
All that really needs to be done to avoid the issues KH ran into with time travel is to combine simple rules with very limited use cases. Perhaps reversing time results in the timeline being literally written over and no one has the power to do so for periods longer than a day. If said power is given to Bahamut rather than Ardyn, it wouldn't even necessarily raise the question of why the power was never used during the main game, since Bahamut wouldn't really have any reason to undo anything. (Of course, if that's the path that was chosen, I would expect the Dawn of the Future path to involve Noct fighting Bahamut, taking that power for himself, and rewriting two thousand years worth of history to bring about the ultimate happy ending for everyone. =P )
The Omen trailer is about Bahamuth showing Regis what would have happened if he didn't sent Noctis outside the city. His power is about show the consequences of people decisions.
Bahamuth convinces Regis to send his son outside the city and uses Prynna to show Luna what she has to do to so the world is saved.
And probably he shows Aera what's Ardyn destiny, knowing that she will tell to Somnus and he will follow his instructions.
Bahamuth convinces Regis to send his son outside the city and uses Prynna to show Luna what she has to do to so the world is saved.
And probably he shows Aera what's Ardyn destiny, knowing that she will tell to Somnus and he will follow his instructions.
That's one interpretation of the Omen trailer, but it falls in the realm of fanon rather than canon.
Then again, it does provide an alternative to the time travel option. If Ardyn's invasion was actually a vision that Bahamut forced on Ardyn to warn him away from attempting to attack Insomnia too soon, the end result would be exactly the same as undoing the invasion after the fact.
Then again, it does provide an alternative to the time travel option. If Ardyn's invasion was actually a vision that Bahamut forced on Ardyn to warn him away from attempting to attack Insomnia too soon, the end result would be exactly the same as undoing the invasion after the fact.
I'd prefer it being a vision like Omen over time travel, if it ended up being like that. That'd be another reason for me to see it as a spiritual 'prologue' of sorts in my eyes, even if it was just a vision, as I'd that that over time travel, but we'll see when we beat the DLC.
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The visions tie better with the theme of destiny and duty, while time travel is more about rebeling and denial.
The first one is what makes more sense for FFXV.
The first one is what makes more sense for FFXV.
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People in Lucis talk like they barely believe in the gods anymore in the main game. If the same people had seen one in the flesh I doubt they'd feel the same. That's the main thing that makes me feel like they could end up retconning the events of the DLC, along with the other general weirdness of Ardyn's attack not lining up with the events of Kingsglaive and FFXV proper.
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Lucis and Insomnia are isolated of one another. There's no tv outside, the main cast didn't know how was life outside the city and it doesn't look like people travel from one place to the another.
If people in Lestallum didn't paid attention to Titan or the Accordians didn't believe a giant serpent rest in their capital,I don't see how people outside Insomnia would believe or accept as fact, something the radio said 35 years before.
I'm 100% convinced that we will get the episode integrated in the story. Which doesn't means i'm right xD
The developers adressed how fans complained about not having the episodes integrated in the story and since then the collaborations we have are accessed from the main game.
While doing Dawn of the Future they knew people wants an excuse to replay the entire game.
If people in Lestallum didn't paid attention to Titan or the Accordians didn't believe a giant serpent rest in their capital,I don't see how people outside Insomnia would believe or accept as fact, something the radio said 35 years before.
I'm 100% convinced that we will get the episode integrated in the story. Which doesn't means i'm right xD
The developers adressed how fans complained about not having the episodes integrated in the story and since then the collaborations we have are accessed from the main game.
While doing Dawn of the Future they knew people wants an excuse to replay the entire game.
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Maybe the people would think Bahamut is just some kind of creature/monster and not of the Astrals, but we don't know how it'll all work out in the end until we play the DLC from beginning to end.
If they do integrate Episode Ardyn, I would still like the option to play it from the main menu so I can play it over and over again without going to a specific chapter depending on how long it is until it shows up.
If they do integrate Episode Ardyn, I would still like the option to play it from the main menu so I can play it over and over again without going to a specific chapter depending on how long it is until it shows up.
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I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the idea of it being a vision. It falls into the "It was a dream all along territory" and I despise that trope with a burning passion cuz it just undoes any weight of what just happened in a heartbeat. I'd rather have some magical fuckery going on, since it is ultimately a fantasy story, in place of some pretentious mind trip scenario where it turns out Ardyn is just wrestling with his consciousness or something and nothing actually ever happened. FFXV could use some more magical moments anyways.
If time were a fixed and linear thing in FFXV I don't think Bahamut would need to show Regis that possible outcome in the first place as there would never be any chance of it happening but Bahamut did show it to Regis meaning that the timeline in FFXV has the possibility of branching off into different paths which Bahamut would want to prevent. Just the fact that Bahamut knows things could potentially not go his way alone opens up the door to branching paths in the timeline meaning Omen isn't just a vision. It's a possible future, one that Bahamut wants to avoid.
Like I said, even if it may not have been in our faces as aggressively as it became later on the concept of different timelines was presented to us as early the Omen trailer. Even if, at first, it was just an artistic interpretation of the game by a third party Square/BD2 were the ones that made it a canon interpretation by including it into the timeline. So they need to either remove it or we just need to accept that Omen just by existing as canon material as declared by the devs themselves presents us with the idea that multiple timelines exist within FFXV.
Also yeah they'd need to present us with some rules as to how the time shenanigans work so that it doesn't become a question of why Ardyn doesn't use it much more within the game. Maybe he can only do it where there's a strong concentration of magic? In the main game he didn't do it until the boys were nearing Shiva's corpse and that's where there was a lot of magical energy as evidenced by the desert turning into an icy tundra. So maybe if the line of Lucis can feed off of elemental energy deposits and then repurpose said energy for spells then maybe Ardyn fed off of Shiva's rogue magic to cast his time magic? Maybe in the presence of Bahamut and Ifrit there'd be enough Astral magic left to spare for a time spell.
If time were a fixed and linear thing in FFXV I don't think Bahamut would need to show Regis that possible outcome in the first place as there would never be any chance of it happening but Bahamut did show it to Regis meaning that the timeline in FFXV has the possibility of branching off into different paths which Bahamut would want to prevent. Just the fact that Bahamut knows things could potentially not go his way alone opens up the door to branching paths in the timeline meaning Omen isn't just a vision. It's a possible future, one that Bahamut wants to avoid.
Like I said, even if it may not have been in our faces as aggressively as it became later on the concept of different timelines was presented to us as early the Omen trailer. Even if, at first, it was just an artistic interpretation of the game by a third party Square/BD2 were the ones that made it a canon interpretation by including it into the timeline. So they need to either remove it or we just need to accept that Omen just by existing as canon material as declared by the devs themselves presents us with the idea that multiple timelines exist within FFXV.
Also yeah they'd need to present us with some rules as to how the time shenanigans work so that it doesn't become a question of why Ardyn doesn't use it much more within the game. Maybe he can only do it where there's a strong concentration of magic? In the main game he didn't do it until the boys were nearing Shiva's corpse and that's where there was a lot of magical energy as evidenced by the desert turning into an icy tundra. So maybe if the line of Lucis can feed off of elemental energy deposits and then repurpose said energy for spells then maybe Ardyn fed off of Shiva's rogue magic to cast his time magic? Maybe in the presence of Bahamut and Ifrit there'd be enough Astral magic left to spare for a time spell.
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The existence of a being with knowledge of counterfactuals doesn't imply that the counterfactuals exist in alternate timelines. It's entirely plausible that Bahamut knew about and chose to avoid one particular counterfactual without that counterfactual being actualized in any real canon universe.
(In philosophical terms: it's possible that Bahamut could have knowledge of unactualized potentials without thereby actualizing those potentials.)
It's worth pointing out that the Omen trailer wasn't called an alternate timeline but rather an "alternate reality":
To me, "alternate reality" suggests less of a potential alternate timeline and more of a completely separate reality.
The real question is why they drew in an alternate reality bar for FFXV post-timeskip. Is the implication that the Phantom Wedding took place in an alternate reality? That doesn't really seem to be the case considering how it was treated at that art exhibit. (It's definitely not an alternate timeline, in any case!) Perhaps Episode Ignis Verse 2 (which shows some signs of being a truly alternate reality rather than a potential alternate timeline) was originally planned to affect the main game rather than just an alternate DLC ending?
That's not a bad idea. If Ardyn was feeding off of Ifrit's magical energy, it could even explain Ifrit's corruption in the main game.
(In philosophical terms: it's possible that Bahamut could have knowledge of unactualized potentials without thereby actualizing those potentials.)
It's worth pointing out that the Omen trailer wasn't called an alternate timeline but rather an "alternate reality":
To me, "alternate reality" suggests less of a potential alternate timeline and more of a completely separate reality.
The real question is why they drew in an alternate reality bar for FFXV post-timeskip. Is the implication that the Phantom Wedding took place in an alternate reality? That doesn't really seem to be the case considering how it was treated at that art exhibit. (It's definitely not an alternate timeline, in any case!) Perhaps Episode Ignis Verse 2 (which shows some signs of being a truly alternate reality rather than a potential alternate timeline) was originally planned to affect the main game rather than just an alternate DLC ending?
That's not a bad idea. If Ardyn was feeding off of Ifrit's magical energy, it could even explain Ifrit's corruption in the main game.
FF-TCG Booster Pack "Opus VIII" has been released today! The drawn Bahamut package is a marker. Also watch out for new titles such as 'FF XV' and 'FFBE' that will be in full swing from here!
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Heyy guys i was watching old trailers of XV and man i really wish we get a revamped chapter 9 (the altissia battle sequences in the 2014 trailers) and the old weapon designs because most of the weapon designs in the main game now is just a copy and paste. I know this is not gonna happen but damn i hate and love those trailers. XD
Btw, any info regarding how to get this majestically design sword (my 2nd fave design after Sword of The Father) ? It's the same sword Regis was holding in the Dawn Trailer right.
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gotta wonder why they decided to scrap some weapon designs featured even in Episode Duscae, I mean the weapon rewards from the menace dungeons, the hardest battle content in the game, are literally reskins.
that Dawn trailer sword is a mistery, it seems no one reported findings in the data, its modeled for a single cutscene, ridiculous lol.
I guess the best explanation is: the sword was an unused Sword of the Father design but some new recruit included in that scene by mistake lol
that Dawn trailer sword is a mistery, it seems no one reported findings in the data, its modeled for a single cutscene, ridiculous lol.
I guess the best explanation is: the sword was an unused Sword of the Father design but some new recruit included in that scene by mistake lol
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