That direct render from Germany looks really fanmade... especially that artwork background from LR. :/
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First of all, I'd just like to say a quick hello. I have just wandered onto this site as a result of LeonBlade's excellent analysis of the January ATR gameplay trailer, and I've been impressed with the level of discussion here, so you're stuck with me now. 
Anyway, I have a minor quibble/thought relating to the link Death Penalty just linked with Nomura's comments after the reveal trailer. And more specifically in regards to Stella still being included at that point.
I came into this late, meaning I was not following FFXIII-Vs and it didn't hit my radar until the name change. That puts me at a disadvantage for some of the conversation around the game, but in this one instance, I believe it's an advantage as I am able to view the whole timeline from a wider angle and without as much emotional attachment to any individual aspects. I've heard time and time again about how different FFXIII-Vs was compared to FFXV, unfortuntely mostly via gamefaqs, which is full of hyperbolic and hysterical responses to everything ever. However, I believe that belief to be based on a series of misunderstandings and I think the game really is very close to what has been envisioned ever since the project became stable, and conceptually since the very beginning.
I've watched every scrap of footage there is on the internet again and again, and I did it again shortly after the last ATR in the middle of a hype session. This last time, I watched them all in succession and I was positively shocked as to how consistent it was from the moment there was an actual structure of a story written. Keeping a thesis down to a term paper, the only story-related element that appeared to have changed was Stella's removal. More recently, I'm not convinced even that is completely accurate.
Similar to that first scene with Noctis being a badass on the stairs, I believe all PS3 era footage of Stella to be purely conceptual. That is, there was no actual outline of a real story, simply Nomura demonstrating the genesis of his idea, particularly the emotional theme. By the time the first reveal trailer comes out, you're seeing young Stella running through the field and you're clearly seeing the Stella PS4 facial model in the collage at the end, so Nomura was totally right in saying that Stella was still in the game at that point, but that was clearly the role of Luna. Everything that made Stella what she was was already gone. To the point that I imagine that the only reason they renamed the character to Luna was to differentiate this character from the expectations set in the earlier concept shots. Stella wasn't lost to the FFXV conversion. She was lost to the story being written, or more accurately, never existed at all.
The same applies to many other things that have "changed" as a result of the shift in focus, but I believe that people think those things changed because the developers, particularly Nomura, had been very misleading and confusing about their intentions. That shift being an illusion only visible to those who were following closely from the beginning. Honestly, from what I can gather, and believe me, I've done my research, the only thing that has gone past the "what if we..." stage that wasn't included in FFXV is the ability to switch characters on the fly, which is purely a gameplay decision and one that I happen to agree very much with in context with the feel of this game. I feel like it makes it convenient to categorize everything into this shift from FFXIII-vs and Nomura to FFXV and Tabata, but I don't think it's nearly that cut and dry. I very much believe this game actually has been far more consistent than it would appear to anyone who was following it so closely from the beginning, and that it's the story (and other natural factors that arise in the process of converting a basic concept into a solid, tangible work), not the shift, that mandated changes, and that was going to happen no matter what.
Basically, this IS still very much FFXIII-Vs, and anyone who feels like the original was this completely different game is filling in an awful lot of blanks in their own mind to arrive at that conclusion.
Anyway, I have a minor quibble/thought relating to the link Death Penalty just linked with Nomura's comments after the reveal trailer. And more specifically in regards to Stella still being included at that point.
I came into this late, meaning I was not following FFXIII-Vs and it didn't hit my radar until the name change. That puts me at a disadvantage for some of the conversation around the game, but in this one instance, I believe it's an advantage as I am able to view the whole timeline from a wider angle and without as much emotional attachment to any individual aspects. I've heard time and time again about how different FFXIII-Vs was compared to FFXV, unfortuntely mostly via gamefaqs, which is full of hyperbolic and hysterical responses to everything ever. However, I believe that belief to be based on a series of misunderstandings and I think the game really is very close to what has been envisioned ever since the project became stable, and conceptually since the very beginning.
I've watched every scrap of footage there is on the internet again and again, and I did it again shortly after the last ATR in the middle of a hype session. This last time, I watched them all in succession and I was positively shocked as to how consistent it was from the moment there was an actual structure of a story written. Keeping a thesis down to a term paper, the only story-related element that appeared to have changed was Stella's removal. More recently, I'm not convinced even that is completely accurate.
Similar to that first scene with Noctis being a badass on the stairs, I believe all PS3 era footage of Stella to be purely conceptual. That is, there was no actual outline of a real story, simply Nomura demonstrating the genesis of his idea, particularly the emotional theme. By the time the first reveal trailer comes out, you're seeing young Stella running through the field and you're clearly seeing the Stella PS4 facial model in the collage at the end, so Nomura was totally right in saying that Stella was still in the game at that point, but that was clearly the role of Luna. Everything that made Stella what she was was already gone. To the point that I imagine that the only reason they renamed the character to Luna was to differentiate this character from the expectations set in the earlier concept shots. Stella wasn't lost to the FFXV conversion. She was lost to the story being written, or more accurately, never existed at all.
The same applies to many other things that have "changed" as a result of the shift in focus, but I believe that people think those things changed because the developers, particularly Nomura, had been very misleading and confusing about their intentions. That shift being an illusion only visible to those who were following closely from the beginning. Honestly, from what I can gather, and believe me, I've done my research, the only thing that has gone past the "what if we..." stage that wasn't included in FFXV is the ability to switch characters on the fly, which is purely a gameplay decision and one that I happen to agree very much with in context with the feel of this game. I feel like it makes it convenient to categorize everything into this shift from FFXIII-vs and Nomura to FFXV and Tabata, but I don't think it's nearly that cut and dry. I very much believe this game actually has been far more consistent than it would appear to anyone who was following it so closely from the beginning, and that it's the story (and other natural factors that arise in the process of converting a basic concept into a solid, tangible work), not the shift, that mandated changes, and that was going to happen no matter what.
Basically, this IS still very much FFXIII-Vs, and anyone who feels like the original was this completely different game is filling in an awful lot of blanks in their own mind to arrive at that conclusion.
First of all, I'd just like to say a quick hello. I have just wandered onto this site as a result of LeonBlade's excellent analysis of the January ATR gameplay trailer, and I've been impressed with the level of discussion here, so you're stuck with me now.
Anyway, I have a minor quibble/thought relating to the link Death Penalty just linked with Nomura's comments after the reveal trailer. And more specifically in regards to Stella still being included at that point.
I came into this late, meaning I was not following FFXIII-Vs and it didn't hit my radar until the name change. That puts me at a disadvantage for some of the conversation around the game, but in this one instance, I believe it's an advantage as I am able to view the whole timeline from a wider angle and without as much emotional attachment to any individual aspects. I've heard time and time again about how different FFXIII-Vs was compared to FFXV, unfortuntely mostly via gamefaqs, which is full of hyperbolic and hysterical responses to everything ever. However, I believe that belief to be based on a series of misunderstandings and I think the game really is very close to what has been envisioned ever since the project became stable, and conceptually since the very beginning.
I've watched every scrap of footage there is on the internet again and again, and I did it again shortly after the last ATR in the middle of a hype session. This last time, I watched them all in succession and I was positively shocked as to how consistent it was from the moment there was an actual structure of a story written. Keeping a thesis down to a term paper, the only story-related element that appeared to have changed was Stella's removal. More recently, I'm not convinced even that is completely accurate.
Similar to that first scene with Noctis being a badass on the stairs, I believe all PS3 era footage of Stella to be purely conceptual. That is, there was no actual outline of a real story, simply Nomura demonstrating the genesis of his idea, particularly the emotional theme. By the time the first reveal trailer comes out, you're seeing young Stella running through the field and you're clearly seeing the Stella PS4 facial model in the collage at the end, so Nomura was totally right in saying that Stella was still in the game at that point, but that was clearly the role of Luna. Everything that made Stella what she was was already gone. To the point that I imagine that the only reason they renamed the character to Luna was to differentiate this character from the expectations set in the earlier concept shots. Stella wasn't lost to the FFXV conversion. She was lost to the story being written, or more accurately, never existed at all.
The same applies to many other things that have "changed" as a result of the shift in focus, but I believe that people think those things changed because the developers, particularly Nomura, had been very misleading and confusing about their intentions. That shift being an illusion only visible to those who were following closely from the beginning. Honestly, from what I can gather, and believe me, I've done my research, the only thing that has gone past the "what if we..." stage that wasn't included in FFXV is the ability to switch characters on the fly, which is purely a gameplay decision and one that I happen to agree very much with in context with the feel of this game. I feel like it makes it convenient to categorize everything into this shift from FFXIII-vs and Nomura to FFXV and Tabata, but I don't think it's nearly that cut and dry. I very much believe this game actually has been far more consistent than it would appear to anyone who was following it so closely from the beginning, and that it's the story (and other natural factors that arise in the process of converting a basic concept into a solid, tangible work), not the shift, that mandated changes, and that was going to happen no matter what.
Basically, this IS still very much FFXIII-Vs, and anyone who feels like the original was this completely different game is filling in an awful lot of blanks in their own mind to arrive at that conclusion.
Anyway, I have a minor quibble/thought relating to the link Death Penalty just linked with Nomura's comments after the reveal trailer. And more specifically in regards to Stella still being included at that point.
I came into this late, meaning I was not following FFXIII-Vs and it didn't hit my radar until the name change. That puts me at a disadvantage for some of the conversation around the game, but in this one instance, I believe it's an advantage as I am able to view the whole timeline from a wider angle and without as much emotional attachment to any individual aspects. I've heard time and time again about how different FFXIII-Vs was compared to FFXV, unfortuntely mostly via gamefaqs, which is full of hyperbolic and hysterical responses to everything ever. However, I believe that belief to be based on a series of misunderstandings and I think the game really is very close to what has been envisioned ever since the project became stable, and conceptually since the very beginning.
I've watched every scrap of footage there is on the internet again and again, and I did it again shortly after the last ATR in the middle of a hype session. This last time, I watched them all in succession and I was positively shocked as to how consistent it was from the moment there was an actual structure of a story written. Keeping a thesis down to a term paper, the only story-related element that appeared to have changed was Stella's removal. More recently, I'm not convinced even that is completely accurate.
Similar to that first scene with Noctis being a badass on the stairs, I believe all PS3 era footage of Stella to be purely conceptual. That is, there was no actual outline of a real story, simply Nomura demonstrating the genesis of his idea, particularly the emotional theme. By the time the first reveal trailer comes out, you're seeing young Stella running through the field and you're clearly seeing the Stella PS4 facial model in the collage at the end, so Nomura was totally right in saying that Stella was still in the game at that point, but that was clearly the role of Luna. Everything that made Stella what she was was already gone. To the point that I imagine that the only reason they renamed the character to Luna was to differentiate this character from the expectations set in the earlier concept shots. Stella wasn't lost to the FFXV conversion. She was lost to the story being written, or more accurately, never existed at all.
The same applies to many other things that have "changed" as a result of the shift in focus, but I believe that people think those things changed because the developers, particularly Nomura, had been very misleading and confusing about their intentions. That shift being an illusion only visible to those who were following closely from the beginning. Honestly, from what I can gather, and believe me, I've done my research, the only thing that has gone past the "what if we..." stage that wasn't included in FFXV is the ability to switch characters on the fly, which is purely a gameplay decision and one that I happen to agree very much with in context with the feel of this game. I feel like it makes it convenient to categorize everything into this shift from FFXIII-vs and Nomura to FFXV and Tabata, but I don't think it's nearly that cut and dry. I very much believe this game actually has been far more consistent than it would appear to anyone who was following it so closely from the beginning, and that it's the story (and other natural factors that arise in the process of converting a basic concept into a solid, tangible work), not the shift, that mandated changes, and that was going to happen no matter what.
Basically, this IS still very much FFXIII-Vs, and anyone who feels like the original was this completely different game is filling in an awful lot of blanks in their own mind to arrive at that conclusion.
True. But there are degrees. Just like it could be technically true that Stella was not cut at that point, while everything that made her character what it was had already been changed. In this case, I believe that quote was to set the expectations that things would be different from the original concept. That doesn't mean it was because it changed consoles, names and focus. FFXIII-VS was pulled in so many directions, there really couldn't be anything that you'd call FFXIII-VS that was fully developed. It doesn't appear that everyone was on the same page until after the turmoil that delayed the project. That would mean that things have certainly changed some since it was called FFXIII-VS, but that doesn't mean there was ever really a XIII-VS as a complete concept to begin with, nor does it imply that the changes weren't inevitable anyway.
I'll forgive you since by your own admission you didn't follow as much of Versus, but Versus XIII's story was complete in 2010.
http://kotaku.com/5575225/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-story-finalized
As I said I'll respond to your original post in full soon, but I don't think fans are served well by a head in the sand "Versus lives" approach and are better off letting go of that project completely. I'm convinced XV is only Versus on the surface.
http://kotaku.com/5575225/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-story-finalized
As I said I'll respond to your original post in full soon, but I don't think fans are served well by a head in the sand "Versus lives" approach and are better off letting go of that project completely. I'm convinced XV is only Versus on the surface.
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Interesting. I'd have to see where that was in context with the footage they have out there as well, then. When going through them, I didn't pay much attention to the dates, mostly because not all of them were from official youtube accounts so I don't know if they were reposted or whatever. Looking forward to your response, though.
Edit: passing thought, but I should note that the story being written isn't *exactly* all of what I mean. It includes a solid concept for where the story will take you, too, as in gameplay, etc. But either way, I'm not expecting the story to have been just barely written as of the point they had announced the name change, either. I figure this happened during what appeared to have been the quiet period where many thought the game was dead.
Edit: passing thought, but I should note that the story being written isn't *exactly* all of what I mean. It includes a solid concept for where the story will take you, too, as in gameplay, etc. But either way, I'm not expecting the story to have been just barely written as of the point they had announced the name change, either. I figure this happened during what appeared to have been the quiet period where many thought the game was dead.
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I appreciate your patience with me on that response. I'm the same as you in that I love good, reasonable discourse and your post deserves a full-fledged response so I'd like to make sure I'm taking the time to do it justice. As it is, I can already tell you're going to be a very valuable member here, especially if Leonblade's excellent breakdown is what spurred you to join. Thanks for indulging me.
Really I mean look at this.^^
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No problem. I already like it here very much. I will just give you a head's up that I mostly post only when I should be working, so I may not be back until monday, don't think that doesn't mean I'm not interested.
I was thinking about the timeline, if the story was completed in 2010, that might actually help support my idea, depending on what was released when after that. But, if it's not then that's cool too. Honestly, I'm so happy to find people who can have an intelligent conversation about Final Fantasy related stuff without someone popping in randomly to tell everyone how much he hates XIII for the 700th time, lol.
I'll catch up on monday. Thanks for, like, existing.
I was thinking about the timeline, if the story was completed in 2010, that might actually help support my idea, depending on what was released when after that. But, if it's not then that's cool too. Honestly, I'm so happy to find people who can have an intelligent conversation about Final Fantasy related stuff without someone popping in randomly to tell everyone how much he hates XIII for the 700th time, lol.
I'll catch up on monday. Thanks for, like, existing.
I am actually very much impressed with the level of conversation here. The internet is a horrible, soul sucking place sometimes, and this is very refreshing. That's a real testament to the management and the posters. Really impressed. You'll see me around
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I think many of us already expected this, FINAL FANTASY XV will be coming to E3 2016.
http://www.ign.com/wikis/e3/Games_at_E3_2016
http://www.ign.com/wikis/e3/Games_at_E3_2016
"Not every game on this list has been confirmed, but will most likely appear because they were at a pervious E3 or were announced recently. Games that are confirmed with publishers for E3 are marked with an asterisk."
Misspelling present in original.
Misspelling present in original.
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LeonBlade and Death Penalty
This date could be the actual release date hint maybe. THE INVASION OF INSOMNIA.
Everything starts on this date in the game.
Everything starts on this date in the game.
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