I Don't know where else to put this.
I would love to hear other members opinions on this subject and how we can all truly enjoy Final Fantasy XV for what it is, art created by numerous talented individuals.
I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR THE LENGTH.
So much hate.
I have seen so much Final Fantasy XV hate in the last 24 hours and even more disturbing is that I have seen that hate correlated and cast on actual human beings. These people say that Tabata is a liar and he changed Nomura’s Vision of Final Fantasy Versus XIII. That got me thinking….
If you care, read on…
To anyone who thinks Tabata is fully changing Nomura’s vision. Let me highlight an interesting point.
Has anyone ever really looked at the Final Fantasy XV E3 2013 reveal trailer? If you look at it in a more reminiscent way, behind all its splendor and craziness, it is in essence a goodbye to Final Fantasy Versus XIII.
The whole trailer has dialogue pertaining to the changes and transformation of Versus to XV. Also even more interesting is the aspect that when this trailer was released Nomura was still director of the project and he is now still the current character designer.
For me to fully explain the impact of the E3 2013 trailer I’ll start with the dialogue at the beginning. The trailer opens up with a conversation between Noctis Lucis Caelum and what is perceived to be Stella Nox Fleuret (The now deleted heroin of Final Fantasy Versus XIII). This can be assumed because the dialogue is very similar to the trailer four years prior which depicts their meeting at a peace treaty party.
Stella’s voice rings out across a misty field, “Noctis, you see the light too.” As the prince replies “There are things I just “know” and I have no idea how.“ This dialogue’s purpose is to solidify to those who have followed Versus XIII that it is Noctis and Stella talking.
The visuals as well here are very interesting. The video depicts a young Noctis and surprisingly what seems to be a young Lunafreya, who as we know, now replaces Stella. As the two of them run through a misty field one has to wonder why the trailer has these inconsistencies? Why does the trailer depict Luna at the beginning as well as Stella’s dialogue if Luna replaces Stella’s character?
It gets even more interesting as the dialogue continues
As the scene goes on we still assume Stella is talking. “I can’t stay any longer.” She says.
Noctis replies, "My heart won’t let go.” With Stella following with a determined, “Don’t worry about me, live your own life.”
This conversation can be taken and analyzed numerous ways but it is interesting to wonder if it was made purposefully to foreshadow Luna replacing Stella while Noctis figuratively lives on in the transition to Final Fantasy XV.
Now we come to the next scene of the white robed man and the dialogue he says. “The world we purport to know is ever changing, ending as we speak. So it is and always will be.” It is interesting to see the language used throughout the trailer that highlights change and the end of the old and beginning of the new.
As it transitions into the following scenes we can draw numerous conclusions but not very concrete ones as the scenes that follow are more core story related (I’ll leave those interpretations, if there is any, up to other people.)
When it gets interesting is at the very end during the flashing of characters on the screen. It is important to note that Stella, as Versus XIII fans have known her is shown during the line up. Although, wasn’t Luna just shown during the opening to the trailer?
After the line up ends and the music is about to crescendo we witness Lord Commander Cor Leonis talking to Noctis asking him, “You want the truth?“ Noctis replies with a nonchalant "Why not.” Then Cor finishes with, “It’s complicated.”
This line of dialogue to me stands out as a metaphorical answer from Nomura or Square itself in regards to the long wait fans were burden with for Final Fantasy Versus XIII. Also it could be a metaphorical answer to why it was decided to be turned into Final Fantasy XV.
The dialogue in the next scene during the title change is really self explanatory.
Why am I writing this? The point of all this is, perhaps Nomura was a part of the changes we are seeing currently and maybe it wasn’t all Tabata.
Think about this. Nomura was still on the project when that trailer came out right? Not only that but the trailer was probably put together months before E3 took place in June.
We know that Final Fantasy Versus XIII was changed to FFXV in 2012. Tabata officially stated in 2014 Stella was scrapped…. Or so we think.
My question is, why the dialogue emphasizing change and farwells and why the inconsistencies with Luna being in the trailer as well as Stella? My conclusion and opinion, these changes were put into place at the beginning of the transition with Nomura on board.
Hell he may have well done the character designs for Luna and Regis’ new look that we have seen in the new “Dawn” trailer. We are just now seeing the fruits of all these changes.
Personally I believe Square knows it’s better to ease people in slowly with change than to outright say it’s a different game. There would be backlash like crazy and the game would not get the chance to prove itself. Heck, even 2 years in we are still getting backlash even though Square has done a great job at easing some fears people had.
Really the argument that Tabata is the one who ruins it is logically invalid and biased. Even if this is all conjecture, evidence points towards Nomura being apart of the changes and not Tabata backstabbing him and changing his vision. At the very least they had to have agreed to the changes.
We don’t know, but that’s the point. How can we say Stella is better, Luna is better, or Nomura’s vision is better. I mean game creation is a bunch of people working together and agreeing on what’s best.
Besides, evidence points to Nomura not being kicked off of the project. Evidence points to him being asked to do an even more important project… the Final Fantasy VII remake. Which, by the way, coincides with his departure from FFXV. I’ve seen so much hate on various sites over the past 24 hours based solely on opinion and biased thinking. Why can’t we stop the hate?
Let’s look at this through a new lens. We don’t know what Stella was going to be like 40 hours into Final Fantasy Versus XII and we don’t know what Luna will be like for 40 hours into Final Fantasy XV.
Just because Nomura decided to show Stella with a sword and badass determination early on in Final Fantasy Versus XIII promotion doesn’t mean that we won’t get to see later on in the full game (Or maybe even have in the party) Luna with a sword and badass determination.
In the end strength comes from the heart. Thats a staple of Nomura, if anyone has played Kingdom Hearts they should know this.
To be honest, in the shots we have seen, Luna has a inner determination in her eyes. Her character has yet to show the strength behind it.
Perhaps I am being overly analytical or maybe all the mindless hate has shown me the trends of hate in my life outside of Final Fantasy XV news. In the end it seems as though a lot of people argue semantics and biases that are based only in individual opinion. If that opinion is challenged at all they lash out in hate, for whatever personal reasons.
Im not perfect, I have biases. I may be wrong in this whole freaking post/novel. Although I know one thing, when someone’s opinion becomes illogical and no longer looks at the facts or potentialities like the above statements then that is cause for concern. When opinions turn to hate towards someone they don’t even know. They seem like little children thinking they know how string theory works. In the end they just sound stupid.
This is coming from someone who still struggles with the inability to control things and thus combats his own hate.
The hate, like the stuff some Final Fantasy XV fans are spewing, is just a way to regain control. Cause some people hate change and change is uncontrollable.
Why can’t we all see the positive ramifications of unity. A faith that is without hate.
I would love to hear other members opinions on this subject and how we can all truly enjoy Final Fantasy XV for what it is, art created by numerous talented individuals.
I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR THE LENGTH.
So much hate.
I have seen so much Final Fantasy XV hate in the last 24 hours and even more disturbing is that I have seen that hate correlated and cast on actual human beings. These people say that Tabata is a liar and he changed Nomura’s Vision of Final Fantasy Versus XIII. That got me thinking….
If you care, read on…
To anyone who thinks Tabata is fully changing Nomura’s vision. Let me highlight an interesting point.
Has anyone ever really looked at the Final Fantasy XV E3 2013 reveal trailer? If you look at it in a more reminiscent way, behind all its splendor and craziness, it is in essence a goodbye to Final Fantasy Versus XIII.
The whole trailer has dialogue pertaining to the changes and transformation of Versus to XV. Also even more interesting is the aspect that when this trailer was released Nomura was still director of the project and he is now still the current character designer.
For me to fully explain the impact of the E3 2013 trailer I’ll start with the dialogue at the beginning. The trailer opens up with a conversation between Noctis Lucis Caelum and what is perceived to be Stella Nox Fleuret (The now deleted heroin of Final Fantasy Versus XIII). This can be assumed because the dialogue is very similar to the trailer four years prior which depicts their meeting at a peace treaty party.
Stella’s voice rings out across a misty field, “Noctis, you see the light too.” As the prince replies “There are things I just “know” and I have no idea how.“ This dialogue’s purpose is to solidify to those who have followed Versus XIII that it is Noctis and Stella talking.
The visuals as well here are very interesting. The video depicts a young Noctis and surprisingly what seems to be a young Lunafreya, who as we know, now replaces Stella. As the two of them run through a misty field one has to wonder why the trailer has these inconsistencies? Why does the trailer depict Luna at the beginning as well as Stella’s dialogue if Luna replaces Stella’s character?
It gets even more interesting as the dialogue continues
As the scene goes on we still assume Stella is talking. “I can’t stay any longer.” She says.
Noctis replies, "My heart won’t let go.” With Stella following with a determined, “Don’t worry about me, live your own life.”
This conversation can be taken and analyzed numerous ways but it is interesting to wonder if it was made purposefully to foreshadow Luna replacing Stella while Noctis figuratively lives on in the transition to Final Fantasy XV.
Now we come to the next scene of the white robed man and the dialogue he says. “The world we purport to know is ever changing, ending as we speak. So it is and always will be.” It is interesting to see the language used throughout the trailer that highlights change and the end of the old and beginning of the new.
As it transitions into the following scenes we can draw numerous conclusions but not very concrete ones as the scenes that follow are more core story related (I’ll leave those interpretations, if there is any, up to other people.)
When it gets interesting is at the very end during the flashing of characters on the screen. It is important to note that Stella, as Versus XIII fans have known her is shown during the line up. Although, wasn’t Luna just shown during the opening to the trailer?
After the line up ends and the music is about to crescendo we witness Lord Commander Cor Leonis talking to Noctis asking him, “You want the truth?“ Noctis replies with a nonchalant "Why not.” Then Cor finishes with, “It’s complicated.”
This line of dialogue to me stands out as a metaphorical answer from Nomura or Square itself in regards to the long wait fans were burden with for Final Fantasy Versus XIII. Also it could be a metaphorical answer to why it was decided to be turned into Final Fantasy XV.
The dialogue in the next scene during the title change is really self explanatory.
Why am I writing this? The point of all this is, perhaps Nomura was a part of the changes we are seeing currently and maybe it wasn’t all Tabata.
Think about this. Nomura was still on the project when that trailer came out right? Not only that but the trailer was probably put together months before E3 took place in June.
We know that Final Fantasy Versus XIII was changed to FFXV in 2012. Tabata officially stated in 2014 Stella was scrapped…. Or so we think.
My question is, why the dialogue emphasizing change and farwells and why the inconsistencies with Luna being in the trailer as well as Stella? My conclusion and opinion, these changes were put into place at the beginning of the transition with Nomura on board.
Hell he may have well done the character designs for Luna and Regis’ new look that we have seen in the new “Dawn” trailer. We are just now seeing the fruits of all these changes.
Personally I believe Square knows it’s better to ease people in slowly with change than to outright say it’s a different game. There would be backlash like crazy and the game would not get the chance to prove itself. Heck, even 2 years in we are still getting backlash even though Square has done a great job at easing some fears people had.
Really the argument that Tabata is the one who ruins it is logically invalid and biased. Even if this is all conjecture, evidence points towards Nomura being apart of the changes and not Tabata backstabbing him and changing his vision. At the very least they had to have agreed to the changes.
We don’t know, but that’s the point. How can we say Stella is better, Luna is better, or Nomura’s vision is better. I mean game creation is a bunch of people working together and agreeing on what’s best.
Besides, evidence points to Nomura not being kicked off of the project. Evidence points to him being asked to do an even more important project… the Final Fantasy VII remake. Which, by the way, coincides with his departure from FFXV. I’ve seen so much hate on various sites over the past 24 hours based solely on opinion and biased thinking. Why can’t we stop the hate?
Let’s look at this through a new lens. We don’t know what Stella was going to be like 40 hours into Final Fantasy Versus XII and we don’t know what Luna will be like for 40 hours into Final Fantasy XV.
Just because Nomura decided to show Stella with a sword and badass determination early on in Final Fantasy Versus XIII promotion doesn’t mean that we won’t get to see later on in the full game (Or maybe even have in the party) Luna with a sword and badass determination.
In the end strength comes from the heart. Thats a staple of Nomura, if anyone has played Kingdom Hearts they should know this.
To be honest, in the shots we have seen, Luna has a inner determination in her eyes. Her character has yet to show the strength behind it.
Perhaps I am being overly analytical or maybe all the mindless hate has shown me the trends of hate in my life outside of Final Fantasy XV news. In the end it seems as though a lot of people argue semantics and biases that are based only in individual opinion. If that opinion is challenged at all they lash out in hate, for whatever personal reasons.
Im not perfect, I have biases. I may be wrong in this whole freaking post/novel. Although I know one thing, when someone’s opinion becomes illogical and no longer looks at the facts or potentialities like the above statements then that is cause for concern. When opinions turn to hate towards someone they don’t even know. They seem like little children thinking they know how string theory works. In the end they just sound stupid.
This is coming from someone who still struggles with the inability to control things and thus combats his own hate.
The hate, like the stuff some Final Fantasy XV fans are spewing, is just a way to regain control. Cause some people hate change and change is uncontrollable.
Why can’t we all see the positive ramifications of unity. A faith that is without hate.
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