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What negativism? Nobody was aggressive towards you or anything and it's not like anyone "doesn't accept" your opinion. We just disagreed with it. I think you're a bit too sensitive.
Oh no, you totally didn't
And I agree with you that Square Enix should get their shit together. There's something obviously wrong inside the company.
But on a different note, some people are just whining too much about everything. I wouldn't pay them that much attention. Better just wait and see how FFXV turns out.
About the crystals, ok there were no powerful magical crystals bringing balance to the world (like those in V or IX). I'll give you that. But still, there were crystals used for summoning, Serah turned into crystal, fal'cie were beings powered by crystals etc.
Let's just end this topic with this glorious picture of some crystallized lesbians
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Oh no, you totally didn't
And I agree with you that Square Enix should get their shit together. There's something obviously wrong inside the company.
But on a different note, some people are just whining too much about everything. I wouldn't pay them that much attention. Better just wait and see how FFXV turns out.
About the crystals, ok there were no powerful magical crystals bringing balance to the world (like those in V or IX). I'll give you that. But still, there were crystals used for summoning, Serah turned into crystal, fal'cie were beings powered by crystals etc.
Let's just end this topic with this glorious picture of some crystallized lesbians
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When I hear the dead word being used, it usually means the things people are familiar with and enjoy are absent. If they're not absent, then they were poorly executed.
I don't think they literally mean it. They just mean Final Fantasy isn't what it used to be anymore and that's something I can agree with.
I don't think they literally mean it. They just mean Final Fantasy isn't what it used to be anymore and that's something I can agree with.
Yeah this may just be miscommunication between people who think SE is on the rocks and those who feel it can still bounce back. It's like how when you ask people if they like a movie and they say "IT WAS TERRIBLE! WORST MOVIE IN THE WORLD! GOD! WHY DID YOU WASTE YOUR MONEY BUYING ME THIS TICKET!?" They really are being hyperbolic or exaggerating. I guess that they mean is "It's not a very good movie. I'm mad I wasted my day watching it." So in this case, "dead" just means, like Squirrel said: "falling apart" "found wanting" "alienating the hardcore fans".
BladeRunner, by negativism or aggression, I didn't mean you specifically. And when I talked about the "dead" thing, I meant that I didn't start the "Final Fantasy is dead" thing around the web, I do share the thought, but it wasn't precisely me the one who started that. That's what I wanted to say.
Anyway, finally there's something we all agree with, and I like that you guys are actually aware that Final Fantasy, indeed, isn't what it used to be. Perhaps (as I said) I'm a fanboy of the older games (blinded by nostalgia glasses, the other dude said), perhaps it's true that it has changed so much that is unrecognizable, or maybe not, my word isn't the last one here, or the law. But what indeed it's a fact, is that, for good or for bad, the franchise (the company actually) isn't what it used to be, and I just read we all agree on that.
In the end, I just really hope XV is the game we all are expecting (I loved it when it was a spin off and it wasn't related to the main games). We've been waiting for it for what, 8 years? I still have some optimistic hopes. I have some grudge against Tetsuya Nomura, but at this point, I believe in him (irony here). Once in a lifetime, I hope he does the correct thing.
Anyway, finally there's something we all agree with, and I like that you guys are actually aware that Final Fantasy, indeed, isn't what it used to be. Perhaps (as I said) I'm a fanboy of the older games (blinded by nostalgia glasses, the other dude said), perhaps it's true that it has changed so much that is unrecognizable, or maybe not, my word isn't the last one here, or the law. But what indeed it's a fact, is that, for good or for bad, the franchise (the company actually) isn't what it used to be, and I just read we all agree on that.
In the end, I just really hope XV is the game we all are expecting (I loved it when it was a spin off and it wasn't related to the main games). We've been waiting for it for what, 8 years? I still have some optimistic hopes. I have some grudge against Tetsuya Nomura, but at this point, I believe in him (irony here). Once in a lifetime, I hope he does the correct thing.
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But how can not I jump into conclusions? The freaking game has almost 10 years of practically no news/info at all. I'm pretty sure I (you, and many others) have already waited too damn long. That could be another reason of why there are many who think the franchise isn't going nowhere.
I will give it a chance, when it's released. When will that be? Only God knows. And Nomura.
I will give it a chance, when it's released. When will that be? Only God knows. And Nomura.
You can jump to conclusions with the info they've given us over the years. They've said it's going to be like an older FF game. That it's going to feel like FF. Frankly, just because they've not released more info about the setting and story elements (which makes sense, given the fact it seems the game isn't near release yet) doesn't mean it's going to end up not being like a classic FF.
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I heard the reason for lack of info on the story is to prevent spoilers. But they doesn't accuse lack of info on the progress of making the game itself.
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I'm not sure this is Nomura's call on when it releases anymore, BTW. I'm not gonna say he doesn't call the shots on the game, but I'm sure the reasons for the hold-ups and the crazy info gaps on progress may be a company wide problem. Nomura could be doing his job from 9 to 5 and then get's slapped with a order by a higher up telling him to say nothing of the game till January.
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I'm not sure this is Nomura's call on when it releases anymore, BTW. I'm not gonna say he doesn't call the shots on the game, but I'm sure the reasons for the hold-ups and the crazy info gaps on progress may be a company wide problem. Nomura could be doing his job from 9 to 5 and then get's slapped with a order by a higher up telling him to say nothing of the game till January.
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Indeed, and it's rather unfair for people to pile frustration on the man, though I've noticed that they have done less of that lately, and have taken to dog on Hashimoto instead, despite his being no more singularly culpable for the tedious info gaps and no-shows.
But there's always that possibility of another major development hitch behind the scenes, rather than purely the marketing branch of the company adhering to a schedule of systematic info dumps the closer it is to game release. And if so, that would be every cause for concern.
If your company continues to regularly hit roadblocks that it should have learnt from, and/or you continue to fail to make any proper structural re-arrangements to augment communication, efficiency, and maybe checks and balances to make sure one producer doesn't let his or her wild ambition clash with the realms of pragmatism, how am I supposed to instill much trust in you anymore for the Final Fantasy franchise? Your game, when, or even if, if finally comes out, could well be a decent game, but if I'm fully aware that the development has been hell on earth, I'm logically going to suspect that it's a barely duct-taped together compromise of a product.
This doesn't entail the series being "dead" of course, but it's a pertinent question to ask whether Square is capable anymore, despite the initial spells of optimism last year, of making a mainline game without sacrificing eons and lambs to the altar in the process. True, A Realm Reborn shows that it can, but that was at the cost of reorganising manpower away from individual projects they may have been working on to focus on it, leaving some rump teams. They've still yet to show that they can successfully make a mainline game since FFX or FFXI without some sort of developmental nightmare in the process, or having to hit the emergency panic button.
It's sad when we have to expect postmortems from Final Fantasy game developments these days. I'm sure we can at least agree on the vague notion that the franchise has long lost that lustre of being I dunno, infallible? That it's now chiefly a name with instant connotations of problems and incompetence?
But there's always that possibility of another major development hitch behind the scenes, rather than purely the marketing branch of the company adhering to a schedule of systematic info dumps the closer it is to game release. And if so, that would be every cause for concern.
If your company continues to regularly hit roadblocks that it should have learnt from, and/or you continue to fail to make any proper structural re-arrangements to augment communication, efficiency, and maybe checks and balances to make sure one producer doesn't let his or her wild ambition clash with the realms of pragmatism, how am I supposed to instill much trust in you anymore for the Final Fantasy franchise? Your game, when, or even if, if finally comes out, could well be a decent game, but if I'm fully aware that the development has been hell on earth, I'm logically going to suspect that it's a barely duct-taped together compromise of a product.
This doesn't entail the series being "dead" of course, but it's a pertinent question to ask whether Square is capable anymore, despite the initial spells of optimism last year, of making a mainline game without sacrificing eons and lambs to the altar in the process. True, A Realm Reborn shows that it can, but that was at the cost of reorganising manpower away from individual projects they may have been working on to focus on it, leaving some rump teams. They've still yet to show that they can successfully make a mainline game since FFX or FFXI without some sort of developmental nightmare in the process, or having to hit the emergency panic button.
It's sad when we have to expect postmortems from Final Fantasy game developments these days. I'm sure we can at least agree on the vague notion that the franchise has long lost that lustre of being I dunno, infallible? That it's now chiefly a name with instant connotations of problems and incompetence?
You can blame Nomura for some things but it's kinda hard to know for sure on what exactly.
Getting Tabata on board as co-director late in the game makes you wonder if he is having difficulty leading the project.
But when it comes to sharing information about the game. You'd want to blame Hashimoto and the higher ups for that. If it were up to Nomura, we'd probably know everything about the game 5 years ago.
If anything, Nomura needs to make sure he's 100% certain on when he can share news. This is what gets him in trouble.
Getting Tabata on board as co-director late in the game makes you wonder if he is having difficulty leading the project.
But when it comes to sharing information about the game. You'd want to blame Hashimoto and the higher ups for that. If it were up to Nomura, we'd probably know everything about the game 5 years ago.
If anything, Nomura needs to make sure he's 100% certain on when he can share news. This is what gets him in trouble.
Absolutely agreed Squirrel Emperor, and yeah, I probably blame Nomura so much (though, honestly, he has done some wrong things). What I find unbelievable is that the game has already 10 years, and nobody of the higher positions within the company (Hashimoto, Wada in his time, or Masuda now) has said a thing. I don't get what is Square Enix's marketing strategy, their time is being wasted and they are losing very much money.
A Realm Reborn was a ray of hope, that new blood could take such task of developing a good game. But even when ARR was that good, we have to remember the game is a remake/remaster/reboot of a disastrous abomination, the original XIV. And not to mention XIII, which was a similar result, but sideways. I really think it's time for Hashimoto to either, resign or take action carefully about what is branded Final Fantasy (specially the main games), and what doesn't. Take a look to Bravely Default, people say it's more a Final Fantasy than anything called Final Fantasy in the last 3 years, and ironically, it's not called Final Fantasy. That's absolutely ridiculous, and sad. I don't get what's Square Enix's strategy.
A Realm Reborn was a ray of hope, that new blood could take such task of developing a good game. But even when ARR was that good, we have to remember the game is a remake/remaster/reboot of a disastrous abomination, the original XIV. And not to mention XIII, which was a similar result, but sideways. I really think it's time for Hashimoto to either, resign or take action carefully about what is branded Final Fantasy (specially the main games), and what doesn't. Take a look to Bravely Default, people say it's more a Final Fantasy than anything called Final Fantasy in the last 3 years, and ironically, it's not called Final Fantasy. That's absolutely ridiculous, and sad. I don't get what's Square Enix's strategy.
They probably don't want to say anything because the game so far seems far from complete. Just show the necessary to hype people, then disappear for a while. "Look at the progress we are making!" for years to "Look, we killed the game we were making!" to "Surprise, it's actually going to be made again for Next Gen" isn't a very good plan either.
Yeah, that's sad, and I don't understand the Japanese videogame companies nowadays, it seems they are staying behind their western counterparts, specilaly in the RPG field. By the way, great picture of Octavirum, not my favorite Dream Theater album but, pretty enjoyable. I loved the following record, Systematic Chaos, In the Presence of Enemies was a bomb!