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ash

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Exactly. Ignoring the obvious attempt at character assassination in the non-canon ending, Bahamut being all, "Fate is fate. Deal with it" works pretty well for both his and Ardyn's characterization. The Episode Luna/Episode "Noctis" stuff sounds like pure fanfic-esque woobification, though. =/



I always expected this to be the case, which had me in a constant state of *facepalm* when people were complaining about how Luna's characterization was being relegated to a novel. No, it wasn't; the stuff that got relegated to the novel was never Luna's characterization to begin with.

With that said, I don't think Luna's characterization was unredeemable; it simply wasn't the sort of thing that the complainers would ever be happy with. She's meant to be sort of a role model for canon!Noct insofar as she's already accepted what Noct will inevitably have to accept. But, because acceptance is not a popular trait for people inclined to complain about female characters on the internet... the only thing that could be done to make the complainers happy is to turn her into someone completely different. =/



I'm guessing that Bahamut's reason was meant to be garbage so Noct would have an excuse to fight him. =P
Personally, I was OK with the characterization of Luna in the game. What I meant by her characterization being unredeemable is the constant lack of her presence in the game. There are 8 chapters before a major pivotal event occurs in the game, and for most of those chapters, we barely to hear her voice. Most of her screentime before Altissia is about her thinking about Noctis. While it's okay to have Noctis on her mind all the time, it would have been great to understand what kind of strain she was enduring to forge the covenants, and how strong she is in overcoming hurdles that appear along the way (I'm sure the Empire wasn't just after Noct, they were trying to kidnap her again anyways). In doing so, FFXV loses a chance to characterize some of the Astrals such as Ramuh and Titan further, and to a lesser extent, Gentiana.
 

motoleo

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So why was it necessary for Ardyn to "spread darkness throughout the land"? I thought the directors of that episode said it would happen for a really good reason, but I still don't understand that. Why wasn't his calling to just wait in peace and allow Noctis to free him without causing all the drama?
Because Bahamut is a God of wrath! And Ardyn was a means by which he would set judgment among the people for wickedness. He extinguished Niflheim in the same manner as their Solheimian ancestors were judged, judgment begins at the house of God.
 
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Ikkin

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Just like they made Ardyn in the begining.
What i take from this - writers don`t know how to write a good story without creating a scapegoat....
Eh, even without any of the additional materials, it was still pretty obvious that Ardyn was acting according to an internally-consistent set of motives -- he went around healing sick people, ended up getting a particularly virulent form of the sickness because of the way he went about healing, then decided he wasn't gonna accept the consequences of his behavior if he had anything to say about it. That's different from turning a party who's somewhere between neutral to ally into an enemy for no good canon reason.

Personally, I was OK with the characterization of Luna in the game. What I meant by her characterization being unredeemable is the constant lack of her presence in the game. There are 8 chapters before a major pivotal event occurs in the game, and for most of those chapters, we barely to hear her voice. Most of her screentime before Altissia is about her thinking about Noctis. While it's okay to have Noctis on her mind all the time, it would have been great to understand what kind of strain she was enduring to forge the covenants, and how strong she is in overcoming hurdles that appear along the way (I'm sure the Empire wasn't just after Noct, they were trying to kidnap her again anyways). In doing so, FFXV loses a chance to characterize some of the Astrals such as Ramuh and Titan further, and to a lesser extent, Gentiana.
Oh, I don't think her amount of presence was irredeemable in the slightest. Having her team up with Gentiana to visit Ramuh and/or Titan would have made a perfectly legitimate story for her, had they decided to go that route. The problem was, if they did that, they would need to retain her canon characterization, which never would have make the complainers happy. =/
 
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Eh, even without any of the additional materials, it was still pretty obvious that Ardyn was acting according to an internally-consistent set of motives -- he went around healing sick people, ended up getting a particularly virulent form of the sickness because of the way he went about healing, then decided he wasn't gonna accept the consequences of his behavior if he had anything to say about it. That's different from turning a party who's somewhere between neutral to ally into an enemy for no good canon reason.



Oh, I don't think her amount of presence was irredeemable in the slightest. Having her team up with Gentiana to visit Ramuh and/or Titan would have made a perfectly legitimate story for her, had they decided to go that route. The problem was, if they did that, they would need to retain her canon characterization, which never would have make the complainers happy. =/
Just as I`ve said - he was a scapegoat. Now, Bahamut`s a scapegoat.
 

Zero87

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Hi I’m new here but I’ve been lurking for awhile. I decided to post because there are things I do disagree with thus far in some of the post.

I disagree with the notion of the novel being “non-canon”. There is a thing called the multiverse. Chrono Cross, Radiant Historia, FFXIII-2, and the megaten/SMT all had parallel universe of the games I played. With megaten every ending is canon whether it was a good choice or bad. It’s the same with XV. You don’t have to like it. There are some endings in the megaten titles I wasn’t fan of but they aren’t any less canon. It just come down to personal preference which is what we all have. There is no absolute truth. I like to see the entire story of the novel before I pass any judgement. So far it sounds good in summary.

Now to the material. Honestly some of this stuff with Bahamut and Luna isn’t surprising. Most people don’t know this but Tabata stated that the woman in the logo is the most important goddess in XV in an interview before the game came out. When we beat the game we found out it was Luna. The novel just reaffirms it. Luna and Noctis basically became gods at the end. I’m sure her story will provide details for both timelines.

As for Bahamut he always came across as a douche to me so I don’t get this OOC business. I’m not shocked at all. In fact I was never a fan of Noctis sacrificing himself to clean up the Astrals or the crystal mess to begin with. The main ending was good but it always bothered me for that reason alone. The Astrals being a bunch of douchebag been long established before the extra material. The only ones I was cool with was Ramuh, Shiva, and I guess Titan after kicking his ass. The later new content making Shiva initially a jerk just reaffirmed that the Astrals aren’t all good. They always reminded me of the Greek gods. Bahamut having a human face always made me curious. It makes me chuckle knowing a theory about Bahamut basically being Ardyn and Somnus’ dad might be true in a sense.
 
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Bazztek

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Novel reconfirmed to be coming to the west.

I`m talking through human-emotional perspective. And the Verum Rex teaser clearly shows he is/was pissed.

Let`s just agree to disagree.
Again you're just projecting here, and we already know verum rex isn't Versus and shares nothing but superficial similarities, not what the actual things from versus were. Nomura also reuses old concepts constantly, even the keyblade armour in BBS was a repurposed design concept from the scrapped DC game he did the Batman/Catwoman etc designs for.
 

Ikkin

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So the final conflict of Dawn of the Future has been translated...

https://higharollakockamamie.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F184469216357
...and it's just as absurdly retconny as I expected. =/

If the Crystal is the soul of the planet and Ardyn destroys it... shouldn't that just destroy everything???

It's like they decided they needed to copy Lightning Returns regardless of how little sense that made in context. =/
 
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Novel reconfirmed to be coming to the west.


Again you're just projecting here, and we already know verum rex isn't Versus and shares nothing but superficial similarities, not what the actual things from versus were. Nomura also reuses old concepts constantly, even the keyblade armour in BBS was a repurposed design concept from the scrapped DC game he did the Batman/Catwoman etc designs for.
I`m sorry, but if the guy is making a hi-budget trailer starring a Notcis lookalike named Yozora (Night Sky, as you know) practically recreating the 2008 trailers of Insomnia Invasion, and then title "VERUM REX" ("the TRUE king") appears on screen, it`s just a matter of reusing some old ideas? Just to remind you, FFXV is not some obsolete FF, it`s the one that SE is CURRENTLY marketing as the newest entry in the series. The similiarities must`ve and WERE intentional. Given that you don`t believe in reboot of any kind (which I don`t ask you to of course), you must admit it must`ve been somewhat of a dear concept/brainchild of Nomura, if he`s so adamant about recreating it. He could`ve just have shown Noctis and Luna, why not, it`s a KH game after all, plus he owns the rights to at least some of FFXV character designs....
 

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I`m sorry, but if the guy is making a hi-budget trailer starring a Notcis lookalike named Yozora (Night Sky, as you know) practically recreating the 2008 trailers of Insomnia Invasion, and then title "VERUM REX" ("the TRUE king") appears on screen, it`s just a matter of reusing some old ideas? Just to remind you, FFXV is not some obsolete FF, it`s the one that SE is CURRENTLY marketing as the newest entry in the series. The similiarities must`ve and WERE intentional. Given that you don`t believe in reboot of any kind (which I don`t ask you to of course), you must admit it must`ve been somewhat of a dear concept/brainchild of Nomura, if he`s so adamant about recreating it. He could`ve just have shown Noctis and Luna, why not, it`s a KH game after all, plus he owns the rights to at least some of FFXV character designs....
I don't see what a CG trailer for a fake game that is only inside of KH that only bears superficial similarities has anything to do with it, again the Keyblade armour literally was repurposed from the design of Batman/Catwoman etc that Nomura did for the cancelled DC/Squaresoft game, even things Nomura did for FF5 were later repurposed for FF6, and some things he did for FF7 were repurposed for FF8, etc and even games like TWEWY which Nomura was heavily involved in as creative producer and character designer had similarities to it. Secondly the trailer itself looks and feels nothing like any of the actual Versus trailer stuff art direction wise or tone wise, and certainly nothing from the 2008 trailer tone wise or direction wise either, the only actual similarity is the characters and Tokyo setting being superficial Expy's of it, not only that but term "True King" only ever existed in XV, not Versus, and the tagline on Verum Rex's box "reclaim your heart" is an obvious allusion to Reclaim your Throne which XV used, again not Versus. I already said there is superficial similarities because that is the overlap in ideas Nomura had, not the actual core foundation of what Versus was which I seriously don't know how you can say that is what Verum Rex is, but somehow not XV which has the same main core with the bros and Noctis's warp/armiger powers.

Verum Rex looks more in common with something like Gunslinger Stratos, which also takes place in Tokyo using Shinjuku and the Tokyo Government Building as a location, with over the top anime swords and flashy colors.

And so what if Yozora means Night? So does Nyx. It doesn't somehow mean that Verum Rex is literally Versus or even a reboot of it with a different name, and even if there is things from Versus that shows up later on in it that still doesn't make it Versus, because it will never be. But you know what is a reboot of Versus with a different name? FFXV, and Verum Rex will forever have far less in common with Versus than XV ever will.
 
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ash

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Do we have an episode Luna summary yet, from the DotF?

Edit: I just went back to the Chapter 12 cutscnes with Aranea. Theoretically, I think had they ever decided to continue making Episode Aranea and they wanted to integrate that into the main game, it could have gone at the end of Chapter 11, and Episode Prompto at the end of Chapter 12.
 
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SonOfEtro

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Ooookay folks. Ginormous spoilers for the Luna and Noctis chapters. This is a rough bullet point summary, with a little interpretation following from me. Please don't treat it as the definitive version. If you don't want to be spoiled, or are waiting for a different summary, don't look!
EP Luna;

*Luna wakes up in an underground tomb after her death in Altissia following the ten year timeskip. Reaching the surface, she's forced to run from a Deathgaze Daemon. She runs into Solaria and a hunter group, and they try to escape. The Deathgaze catches up, and the two are forced to fight; Sol is experienced, and Luna is forced to use a spear Sol is carrying. She is attacked by Deathgaze, but it is weakened, and when it grabs her, it disintegrates and leaves her arm marked. The hunters, including Sol, are wary of her both because her wounds heal abormaliy fast, and they don't believe she's Luna as...well, Luna's been dead ten years.
*Luna is surprised by the world's state, being taken to a temporary base where she meets Cindy. Umbra also appears and has a joyful reunion with Luna, but when she tries sending a message to Noctis Umbra resists. Noctis is safe, but currently unreachable. Luna decides to keep a note of her journey. The next bit's a little fuzzy, but she seems to help Sol with repairing their vehicle, showing she has knowledge beyond her role as the Oracle as well as martial skills.
*Luna is visited by Bahamut in a dream. The narration says that Bahamut is different from the other Astrals; while the other five are tied to the world of Eos and intimate with humanity, Bahamut is a celestial being who eclipses both humans and the other Astrals in power. He tells Luna her task is unfinished, and shows her a vision of Noctis's sacrificial death using the Ring. However, this was the original course of events; Ardyn's rampage through Insomnia with Ifrit and refusal to follow his destined path means the Ring now isn't enough to purge Eos of the scourge. Luna must now travel to defeat Ardyn herself; Bahamut resurrected her and gave her the power she now possesses to destroy Daemons for this purpose. Luna's puzzled, but as this new fate may save Noctis's life, she's ready to follow Bahamut's lead.
*Luna tells Sol about her mission, and while initially sceptical Sol agrees to take Luna to Lestallum for the time being. During their talk, Sol asks Luna about her harsh training as the Oracle. While Sol can't understand Luna's dogged response that it's the will of the Six, Luna can't understand Sol's belief that such duties should be fun and rewarding to perform as she's never asked for anything in return for her magic. They then get a call from Biggs; the ruins Luna was in were from the age of Solheim, which holds a powerful Daemon called Sapphire Weapon. Sol decides to investigate, and gives Luna some new and easier-to-wear black clothes. Sol and Luna have another argument, this time about whether it's right to follow the Gods' will above her own. Luna reflects that she's seen a large amount of suffering and death in Niflheim due to people blindly following someone else's decrees, and begins questioning her own autonomy. As she accompanies Sol to the ruins, she absorbs Daemons she defeats, getting increasing numbers of black marks on her skin. Sol then asks Luna's personal wish; it's to laugh with Noctis. Sol pretty much says she should make that wish come true.
*Aranea is trapped in the ruins with Sapphire Weapon; Sol is ordered to seal the ruins with Aranea inside. Luna insists on going in and absorbing Sapphire Weapon, even though her body's reaching its limit. While Luna knows Sol's family history from their talks, and knows Nilfheim killed her mother, that doesn't apply here. She's helping a girl named Sol save her mother Aranea. And that's Luna's choice. Turns out Luna trained in the ruins long ago, and knows a secret backdoor inside. As they enter, they discover a statue of Aera Mirus Fleuret. Aera's spirit speaks to Luna, showing Ardyn's past and the truth of the Oracle's power; a derivative of Ardyn's power to absorb and heal those touched by the Scourge. Luna's shocked by the revelation as she only used her power to wipe away the scourge rather than absorb it, and Aera ends with an appeal to save Ardyn.
*Broadly speaking, the mission's a success and Luna absorbs Sapphire Weapon. But then they find out the truth; Aranea was infected with the Scourge, and ordered the ruins sealed before she turned. Using Aera's vision as reference, Luna embraces Aranea and absorbs the Scourge. But this finally transforms Luna into a Daemon version of herself, which Aranea begins to attack. Luna retains her sentience and will, and Sol manages to stop Aranea. Luna is detained and imprisoned in Lestallum. There, Luna's predicament is discussed by Gladio, Prompto and Ignis. They're astonished by Luna's return, and saddened by her current condition. As there seems no hope for her yet she retains her sense of self, they decide whether to grant her wish to travel to Insomnia
*During this time, Luna has another dream. This time, its Gentiana/Shiva, who warns her against Bahamut's direction. Bahamut gave her this power not specifically to defeat Ardyn, but to become a new host of the Starscourge, effectively turning into a goddess of darkness, to fulfil his own plan; the purging of humanity, using the combined powers of light (the ring and Crystal) and dark (the scourge as embodied in Luna) to trigger Terra Flare, basically Bahamut's ultimate world-purging power. To Bahamut, humans are like flowers in significance, having no individual value. When the Great War of Old broke out between humans and Ifrit, and then between the other Astrals, Bahamut became disgusted with the whole situation and saw the world as having fallen too far to be redeemed (explained in more detail in next chapter). He thought the other gods would use their powers to purge mankind, but they so exhausted themselves in the fighting as to prevent this. Shiva now wants Luna to thwart Bahamut.
*Determined to help Luna, Sol plans to break her out. Aranea catches her in the act, but moved by Sol's appeal helps her rather than stops her outright. Luna and Sol barely escape as an alarm sounds. Luna travels alone on Sol's bike while Sol holds back the pursuers. Luna also entrusts Umbra with a last message to give to Noctis when he awakes. The chapter ends with Luna in the Lucian throne room, facing Ardyn, who is surprised by her appearance and her wish to talk rather than fight. Luna proposes that they cooperate in halting Bahamut's purge.


EP Noctis;

*Noctis is in the Crystal dreaming, seeing memories and flashbacks surrounding Ardyn and Somnus's pasts, Ardyn's actions, and Luna's death. Noctis wonders if he's no different from Somnus in the whole tragedy. Bahamut's urging him to think of nothing but his mission, but Noctis goes on remembering, this time Regis and how he was accused of pampering Noctis as a boy, of what happened with Ignis and Ravus in Altissia, Luna's pain and struggles during her own journey to prepare his way to the Astrals. He muses that he just wanted to live a normal life with Luna. Waking up on Angelgard, he recieves Luna's message via Umbra; to meet her at the Citadel. On the mainland, he meets Sol and learns of Luna's transformation. He considers that the gods offer no salvation for Daemons, and decides to save Luna no matter what.
*The scene changes to Luna. Despite his death playing right into Bahamut's hands, Ardyn refuses to listen to Luna's pleas and is about to attack, but Aera's soul speaks to him. He can't bring himself to kill Luna himself because he can't bear seeing Aera die in front of him again, but instead summons Ifrit to do it and leaves. In parallel to their battle, Noctis fights his way through Insomnia alone, defeating the possess Kings of Yore and hearing Somnus's plea to save Ardyn as he has lived in regret for two millennia. Now he knows what he knows, Noctis curses Bahamut for leading them to this point, as it was Ardyn's powers to absorb the Scourge that led him to this path. Meanwhile Luna uses her power to purify Ifrit. Speaking to Ardyn as she does this, she reveals her plan; to trick Bahamut into appearing to unleash Terra Flare, then he can be weakened to the point that he can be killed. Luna asks for a Covenant and Ifrit agrees as Bahamut's now a threat to Eos, causing Luna to collapse from the strain of overusing her powers.
*Noctis enters and sees Luna, who loses her sense of self even as she speaks with Noctis. If he doesn't attack her, Bahamut will. Noctis's role as the True King is eliminate darkness from the world. This next bit's a little fuzzy, but it reads like humanity has no divine protection because of the darkness within them that caused wars amongst the gods, and Luna has become the embodiment of that darkness.The threat Luna poses triggers Bahamut to raise the Citadel into the air in an effort to protect the Crystal. Duplicates of Bahamut (messengers maybe?) appear and begin attacking humanity. Noctis and Ardyn individually warp up to the Citadel, while Noctis's friends are drawn there while pursuing Noctis and end up there by accident alongside Aranea and Sol. Noctis sends Aranea and Sol to evacuate Lestallum, while Noctis goes with his companions to find Luna and Ardyn.
*Ardyn knows and relates Luna's plan, but is unwilling to participate. Basically it's a back-and-forth between Noctis and Ardyn. Noctis convinces Ardyn by appealing to his messianic desires, and gives him to Ring of the Lucii to use against Bahamut. Noctis also says that the only salvation he can offer Ardyn is true death, which using the Ring will provide. Ardyn reluctantly agrees.
*They divide into two fronts; Ardyn clears the way for Noctis to face the physical manifestation of Bahamut, who is using Luna's darkness to activate Terra Flare; while Ardyn himself goes into the other world and destroy's Bahamut's spiritual self. During the real world battle, Noctis is aided by the other five Astrals, but even their combined power won't stop Terra Flare, which will be many times more devastating than earlier great outbursts of power and potentially ravage all of Eos. Noctis shares his powers with the others, who unite in battling Luna - who is purged of the Scourge but being used as Bahamut's pawn as she begins unleashing the destruction of Terra Flare across Eos - while he faces Bahamut with the Astrals. Ardyn uses Providence to obliterate Bahamut's spiritual self and fades away, briefly hearing Aera's voice. At the same time, Bahamut's physical self is destroyed. With Bahamut's death, the Crystal and the Astrals, along with magic, begin to vanish. The Citadel crashes back to earth, but Noctis, Luna and his companions are saved by Titan. In her final moment, Gentiana heals and revives Luna, wishing her a happy life. A bright light appears in the following calm; not Terra Flare, but the dawn.
*The scene shifts forward. The Starscourge is gone. Insomnia is in ruins, but as magic is gone from the world and the power of kings has lost meaning, people are seeing it as a memorial to the past time of kings. Lestallum was mostly spared due to the evacuation, and the power plant is undamaged. The Nilfheim continent has become fertile once again, either due to Shiva's power vanishing or Terra Flare not impacting it much, and it's set to become a bread basket. Tenebrae wasn't much damaged, and the royal palace is being rebuilt. Altissia has been rebuilt, and it's there that Noctis and Lunafreya are finally married.

And that's it. In a strange way it's like a fever dream. But it also feels strangely in line with the lore as built up within XV on a surface level, and the added layers they created using the pre-Ardyn DLC. This was a very, very long post, and I've certainly missed out key minor details that will prove essential to understanding some pieces. Also, is it me or does a lot of the stuff that happens in this novel as a whole sound very....FNC-ish? Otherwise....that's it. I'm now seriously looking forward to reading the entire thing in English. IT LOOKS EPIC!
 
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I don't see what a CG trailer for a fake game that is only inside of KH that only bears superficial similarities has anything to do with it, again the Keyblade armour literally was repurposed from the design of Batman/Catwoman etc that Nomura did for the cancelled DC/Squaresoft game, even things Nomura did for FF5 were later repurposed for FF6, and some things he did for FF7 were repurposed for FF8, etc and even games like TWEWY which Nomura was heavily involved in as creative producer and character designer had similarities to it. Secondly the trailer itself looks and feels nothing like any of the actual Versus trailer stuff art direction wise or tone wise, and certainly nothing from the 2008 trailer tone wise or direction wise either, the only actual similarity is the characters and Tokyo setting being superficial Expy's of it, not only that but term "True King" only ever existed in XV, not Versus, and the tagline on Verum Rex's box "reclaim your heart" is an obvious allusion to Reclaim your Throne which XV used, again not Versus. I already said there is superficial similarities because that is the overlap in ideas Nomura had, not the actual core foundation of what Versus was which I seriously don't know how you can say that is what Verum Rex is, but somehow not XV which has the same main core with the bros and Noctis's warp/armiger powers.

Verum Rex looks more in common with something like Gunslinger Stratos, which also takes place in Tokyo using Shinjuku and the Tokyo Government Building as a location, with over the top anime swords and flashy colors.

And so what if Yozora means Night? So does Nyx. It doesn't somehow mean that Verum Rex is literally Versus or even a reboot of it with a different name, and even if there is things from Versus that shows up later on in it that still doesn't make it Versus, because it will never be. But you know what is a reboot of Versus with a different name? FFXV, and Verum Rex will forever have far less in common with Versus than XV ever will.
I didn`t mean to provoke such strong emotions from you (deducing from the overtly-long-sream-of-though sentences), I don`t want to argue - it`s just I simply can have another point of view.

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if
you can`t hear Somnus
they I`m afraid I can`t help you.

I`m not saying we`re getting VersusXIII, Verum Rex or anything specifically, because I don`t work at SE, but clearly they left the (lore) back door open for a reason.
That`s all I`m saying. And instead of throwing sh*t at eachother telling how some *hypothetical* game would be more or less than XV to Vs. let`s just patiently wait and see. I`m sure we`re in for a treat.


Now back to DotF, reading the spoilers, MAN were they ambitious if they really wanted to implement all of that in the DLCs?!
 
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