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Ikkin

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DrBretto said:
That's my point. And I'm saying they're a little too close to the border.

There's a problem with the rest of what you're saying. This is your personal take on what "the problem" is, and if you ask 15 other people you'll get 15 other responses, mostly conflicting with each other.

All of this comes from the assumption that the chapter is, indeed, broken, which I contend it is not. It only appears broken (and overly long) because it's surrounded by chapters that were shortened and disjointed. That makes this one feel longer than it would have if the other chapters were full-length. The twist doesn't work because there's no buildup. Not necessarily because the execution of the twist itself.

If they want to do things like unlock the sprinting earlier, that's a whatever thing. People are going to whine about the game taking away their toys and all that, then fine, toss them a bone. But they can't just re-root everything because some people on the internet cried about it. People on the internet are, no offense to anyone here, pretty much by definition full of shit. We feed off each other. It's like a global weather system of emotion and there's not necessarily any truth to any of it.

So, I don't want to see anything more than token changes for that chapter because it's simply not broken. It's supposed to subvert expectations and if a player can't handle that, then they can play something else. Because you can't build a game by committee. We already saw what happens there with them cutting Luna's backstory. It's to the detriment of the game.
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Well, my point was that most of the things people were naming as issues were things that weren't considered game-breaking for them in other circumstances. That's why I think the issue with Chapter 13 is its refusal to allow players the satisfaction of overcoming an actual challenge -- that's the one way Chapter 13 definitively differs from other such dungeons.

With that said, I think the best way to defuse the negativity towards Chapter 13 is to add a decent amount of proper cutscenes to offer more narrative satisfaction. Add maybe ten or so "security tapes" that you can find throughout the level featuring Niflheim characters who need more screen time so players can take satisfaction in finding them. As long as the videos' content is properly depressing/grotesque -- say,
the deaths of Ravus and Shiva, Iedolas being turned into a daemon, Prompto being mistreated while imprisoned, experiments where people were turned into MTs, maybe even the fall of Insomnia or something about Ifrit, etc.
-- they won't sabotage the mood. Maybe add some more Ardyn dialogue, too, both throughout the level and in response to the videos

It's kind of funny, actually -- even apart from the outcry against Chapter 13, that chapter's setting makes it ideal for tying up loose ends. All they'd really need to do is save the most satisfying answers for later while showing the stuff that's mostly there to torment Noct first, and nothing of the original intent for the chapter is lost.
 
llazy77

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DrBretto said:
How about, instead of "garbage announcement" you relay what it was and why you didn't like it?

I didn't see the announcement, but I'm reading that it's an Avengers game.
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Cause it dosent have anything to do with squares Ip's, its just another superhero game.
 
llazy77

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Was kinda lowkey wishing for versus xv a lil actually, might be another reason why I was disappointed. Well theres always the event on tuesday.
 
DrBretto

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llazy77 said:
Was kinda lowkey wishing for versus xv a lil actually, might be another reason why I was disappointed. Well theres always the event on tuesday.
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I say this not to argue or anything, but just to share a bit of wisdom.

It's too late for them to do anything that will satisfy you at this point. I've seen this same condition with many others throughout the development process. Don't waste your time or effort waiting for a game that isn't coming because even if it was coming, it still won't be the game you're looking for.

The version you wanted will forever be in your head, and no one can take that away from you. But they can't meet those expectations either.
 
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DrBretto said:
I say this not to argue or anything, but just to share a bit of wisdom.

It's too late for them to do anything that will satisfy you at this point. I've seen this same condition with many others throughout the development process. Don't waste your time or effort waiting for a game that isn't coming because even if it was coming, it still won't be the game you're looking for.

The version you wanted will forever be in your head, and no one can take that away from you. But they can't meet those expectations either.
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Honestly most of the Versus fanbase just want the FFXV shown at E3 2013, hell I'll be honest I would like to play that game as well, not saying the current FFXV is crap, but it would still be nice to play Versus.

Honestly they could still somewhat do FFXV 2013/Versus XIII 2011, but it would have to take shape in the form of a multi-part sequel, that will probably tie right back to FFXV's ending(The Wedding with Luna).

However they would have to reintroduce everything that was FNC, include a plot point about the fal'Cie or gods wanting to find Etro's gate therefore they use the world of Versus XIII as an experiment similar to Type-0. They could do it, whether they should do it is another question all together, granted it could work, could I mean in work in the very loose definition of the word. If they got a good writer then he or she might be able to bring something great to the table. However I'm just saying if this does happen the ending will still be Noctis and Luna on the thrown, it's just that the Chocobros will arrive, with Prompto probably saying we are back, or we missed you.
 
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Granted whether them doing Versus XV or not will result in 3 great products that improve on everything with FFXV, or something that makes the monkey's paw wish look good is unknown.

All I'm saying a Versus XV could be a double edged sword.
 
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Nova

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There are plenty of E3 2013 elements you can pull off in current XV already though. Its mostly the hand/multiple warp air strikes that were omitted out.

And dude, could you please not make triple posts about the same subject? Cut it down to one post at least.
 
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Nova said:
There are plenty of E3 2013 elements you can pull off in current XV already though. Its mostly the hand/multiple warp air strikes that were omitted out.
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-Leviathan Fight/Altissia Invation is Donwgraded
-Cor Cutscene ïts complicated" gone
- Verstal Assault Cutscene gone (on a newspaper now)
- Armiger Downgraded
-Visuals Downgraded
-Invasion Unplayable
- Luna and Noctis running cutscene removed
- Gentiana Model downgraded (original model was superior)
- Ravus dosent have his hood anymore and Cutscene with him from the trailer removed
 
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