At this point, I'm convinced that the goddess figure has been scrubbed from the game's mythos entirely, so it's unlikely that we're ever going to get any justification for the wing or in-game explanation of who the goddess figure actually is. >_>;
Thanks. ^_^
The one-winged goddess figure was specifically stated to be "the most important goddess" back in 2015, so I don't think there's any question that it was meant to be separate from the Oracle at least initially. It's clear that they mythos changed a lot, though, and it seems like they decided that having that figure represent the Oracle was better from a cost-benefit analysis perspective than trying to explain a goddess figure whose impact on the game had become minimal.
As such, I'm pretty confident now that Pitioss represents a mid-point between Versus and the current version of XV rather than a hidden part of the mythos of XV as it now stands.
Yeah, I've seen that (even if it didn't feel entirely necessary to bring up for the purposes of the video). An interesting quirk is that FFXV and the other FNC titles render "shigai" differently; the FF Wiki's FFXIII-related pages uses katakana for "shi" and kanji for "gai" while the FFXV Ultimania uses katakana throughout.
I'm reluctant to assume that the non-Ifrit Astrals are, essentially, the FFXV version of the Occuria given how much interest they seem to take in helping humanity out. The powers they offer are too overwhelming for humans to withstand for very long, but most of their known actions seemed to have been intended less to control humanity and more to offer assistance.
None of them seemed all too concerned about social, magical, or technological, either, given that Insomnia became the most advanced society in all of Eos largely because of their power. It's more plausible that they'd have been anti-Magitek, but given what Magitek is, there'd be a good reason for that. XD;
Anyway, I'm inclined to think that the missing goddess represented the planet itself, which could offer a potential explanation for Ifrit's betrayal. If Solheim's technology was actively destroying the planet (and, in the version of the mythos that included a goddess, corrupted said goddess as a result) it's plausible that that could have triggered Ifrit's wrath and pushed him to attempt to wipe out humanity with the Scourge in defiance of the other Astrals.
For what it's worth, I don't think Ifrit used a human as a host for the Starscourge, at least initially. I've heard that some of the other translations of the game (particularly the German one) state that the Scourge came on the meteor.
One way that the with-goddess version of the mythos could go is this:
1) Solheim's Magitek starts to cause damage to the planet and corrupts the goddess
2) Ifrit is enraged by the damage to the planet and uses the corruption to create a disease to wipe out humanity, which he inflicts on the people of Eos via a meteor
3) Ardyn gets involved, trying to help, but Ifrit tricks him, granting him the ability to absorb the scourge. What Ifrit doesn't tell him is that this will make him into the ultimate carrier rather than erasing the Scourge from the world
4) Ifrit tries to get into the Underworld to destroy the goddess, who he now believes is corrupting the planet. Ardyn follows behind him
5) Ardyn gets powers from the goddess before she disappears
6) Ifrit returns to Eos, fights the other Astrals, and is torn asunder on Ravatogh
Without the goddess, it'd be more like this:
1) Solheim's Magitek starts to cause damage to the planet and starts to corrupt it
2) Ifrit is enraged by the damage to the planet and uses the corruption to create a disease to wipe out humanity, which he inflicts on the people of Eos via a meteor
3) Ardyn gets involved, trying to help, but Ifrit tricks him, granting him the ability to absorb the scourge. What Ifrit doesn't tell him is that this will make him into the ultimate carrier rather than erasing the Scourge from the world
4) Ifrit fights the other Astrals, and is torn asunder on Ravatogh
Thanks. ^_^
The one-winged goddess figure was specifically stated to be "the most important goddess" back in 2015, so I don't think there's any question that it was meant to be separate from the Oracle at least initially. It's clear that they mythos changed a lot, though, and it seems like they decided that having that figure represent the Oracle was better from a cost-benefit analysis perspective than trying to explain a goddess figure whose impact on the game had become minimal.
As such, I'm pretty confident now that Pitioss represents a mid-point between Versus and the current version of XV rather than a hidden part of the mythos of XV as it now stands.
Yeah, I've seen that (even if it didn't feel entirely necessary to bring up for the purposes of the video). An interesting quirk is that FFXV and the other FNC titles render "shigai" differently; the FF Wiki's FFXIII-related pages uses katakana for "shi" and kanji for "gai" while the FFXV Ultimania uses katakana throughout.
I'm reluctant to assume that the non-Ifrit Astrals are, essentially, the FFXV version of the Occuria given how much interest they seem to take in helping humanity out. The powers they offer are too overwhelming for humans to withstand for very long, but most of their known actions seemed to have been intended less to control humanity and more to offer assistance.
None of them seemed all too concerned about social, magical, or technological, either, given that Insomnia became the most advanced society in all of Eos largely because of their power. It's more plausible that they'd have been anti-Magitek, but given what Magitek is, there'd be a good reason for that. XD;
Anyway, I'm inclined to think that the missing goddess represented the planet itself, which could offer a potential explanation for Ifrit's betrayal. If Solheim's technology was actively destroying the planet (and, in the version of the mythos that included a goddess, corrupted said goddess as a result) it's plausible that that could have triggered Ifrit's wrath and pushed him to attempt to wipe out humanity with the Scourge in defiance of the other Astrals.
For what it's worth, I don't think Ifrit used a human as a host for the Starscourge, at least initially. I've heard that some of the other translations of the game (particularly the German one) state that the Scourge came on the meteor.
One way that the with-goddess version of the mythos could go is this:
1) Solheim's Magitek starts to cause damage to the planet and corrupts the goddess
2) Ifrit is enraged by the damage to the planet and uses the corruption to create a disease to wipe out humanity, which he inflicts on the people of Eos via a meteor
3) Ardyn gets involved, trying to help, but Ifrit tricks him, granting him the ability to absorb the scourge. What Ifrit doesn't tell him is that this will make him into the ultimate carrier rather than erasing the Scourge from the world
4) Ifrit tries to get into the Underworld to destroy the goddess, who he now believes is corrupting the planet. Ardyn follows behind him
5) Ardyn gets powers from the goddess before she disappears
6) Ifrit returns to Eos, fights the other Astrals, and is torn asunder on Ravatogh
Without the goddess, it'd be more like this:
1) Solheim's Magitek starts to cause damage to the planet and starts to corrupt it
2) Ifrit is enraged by the damage to the planet and uses the corruption to create a disease to wipe out humanity, which he inflicts on the people of Eos via a meteor
3) Ardyn gets involved, trying to help, but Ifrit tricks him, granting him the ability to absorb the scourge. What Ifrit doesn't tell him is that this will make him into the ultimate carrier rather than erasing the Scourge from the world
4) Ifrit fights the other Astrals, and is torn asunder on Ravatogh
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But, yeah, that's largely what I was thinking.
