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Pretty easy, tbh, mate. Here's a news article from one week before FF13 landed celebrating 4 million consoles sold: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/117478/Wii_Tops_9_Million_PS3_4_Million_LTD_In_Japan.php
It is the third google.com result for "ps3 4 million japan". It's also the 5th AND 6th result for "ps3 december 2009 sales japan". So, yeah, it's easy to Google. People are just lazy, or don't want to see the dire nature of the situation.
It is the third google.com result for "ps3 4 million japan". It's also the 5th AND 6th result for "ps3 december 2009 sales japan". So, yeah, it's easy to Google. People are just lazy, or don't want to see the dire nature of the situation.
If only Nomura was still director, the sales would have been 700K.
Just out of curiosity, I did some cursory Googling to see what the best-selling PS4 games in Japan were. Don't know how the numbers have changed in the intervening months, but there wasn't a game > 500K (http://kotaku.com/the-five-biggest-selling-ps4-games-in-japan-1785728990). FFXV should be able to (be the first?) sell 1M, but it's quite evident that the landscape has changed dramatically.
Wonder how these sales fit with their internal projections? Surely they weren't expecting to hit the halcyon heights of the pre-PS4 days..?
Just out of curiosity, I did some cursory Googling to see what the best-selling PS4 games in Japan were. Don't know how the numbers have changed in the intervening months, but there wasn't a game > 500K (http://kotaku.com/the-five-biggest-selling-ps4-games-in-japan-1785728990). FFXV should be able to (be the first?) sell 1M, but it's quite evident that the landscape has changed dramatically.
Wonder how these sales fit with their internal projections? Surely they weren't expecting to hit the halcyon heights of the pre-PS4 days..?
I just re-read this, and I have to take exception to it. That's pretty prejudicial. Not everyone looking for clarification on something is denying something. I feel like making that assumption is kind of insulting. My life, for example, would be completely unchanged no matter how many people in Japan bought a video game.
Edit: I don't think you're a bad person, BTW, because I've been guilty of doing the same thing, but I had to mention it just so you can maybe try to have a little more faith in the members here. The internet out there, sure, but everyone here is pretty reasonable..
Edit: I don't think you're a bad person, BTW, because I've been guilty of doing the same thing, but I had to mention it just so you can maybe try to have a little more faith in the members here. The internet out there, sure, but everyone here is pretty reasonable..
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Was it a juggernaut over there? I thought it was mostly only a big thing in the west. At least that's what a lot of DQ fans tell me, haha 
I don't think it's unfair to say people are lazy and people on both sides have an agenda - they either want to paint it as all the shifting market in Japan or paint it as the game being a failure; truth is somewhere in the middle. It wasn't a dig at anyone specific.
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It's all good, I kinda just took it personally for a minute there.
I just wanted to reiterate that even though I'm a fan of this game, the only agenda I have is the truth.
I would not expect it to exceed 1m at that rate, either. Guitar God has a pretty interesting point, too, though. If it's the trend for everything else, or everything else in the genre, then it doesn't necessarily mean the same level of doom and gloom. Or at least not specifically SE. Though, if there's no console JRPG market there at all, then that doesn't bode well for any fan of the genre at all, FF fans included.
I just wanted to reiterate that even though I'm a fan of this game, the only agenda I have is the truth.
I would not expect it to exceed 1m at that rate, either. Guitar God has a pretty interesting point, too, though. If it's the trend for everything else, or everything else in the genre, then it doesn't necessarily mean the same level of doom and gloom. Or at least not specifically SE. Though, if there's no console JRPG market there at all, then that doesn't bode well for any fan of the genre at all, FF fans included.
I don’t think the genre itself is really the problem. Because if you look at the handheld side of things, titles like Pokemon and Dragon Quest still perform well and titles like Persona and Fire Emblem (an IP that was on the verge of death but is now seen as very important for Nintendo) are seeing growth and rising in popularity. One thing all these titles seem to have in common is consistency. They're not drastically changing their identity so that familiarity is still intact, even though there may be some new gameplay mechanics and a different story being told.
It might just be a simple matter of the Final Fantasy brand itself needing a nice big jolt. Let Final Fantasy compete against Final Fantasy instead of targeting popular trends like both Final Fantasy XIII (Call of Duty) and Final Fantasy XV (open world games in the west) have done. Focus on balance (gameplay, story, world design, visuals etc...) instead of being so heavily lopsided like we all just experienced with Final Fantasy XV (first half vs. second half differences) because that's one way to polarize the fan base.
It might just be a simple matter of the Final Fantasy brand itself needing a nice big jolt. Let Final Fantasy compete against Final Fantasy instead of targeting popular trends like both Final Fantasy XIII (Call of Duty) and Final Fantasy XV (open world games in the west) have done. Focus on balance (gameplay, story, world design, visuals etc...) instead of being so heavily lopsided like we all just experienced with Final Fantasy XV (first half vs. second half differences) because that's one way to polarize the fan base.
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But, if the numbers Guitar God posted aren't being misreported, FFXV would be the highest selling PS4 game in Japan. Wouldn't that squarely mean that it's not the problem? Or at the very least looking at Japan's sales numbers isn't telling the story some think it is? It seems like more of a Japan problem than a Final Fantasy problem.
My concern for the genre is based on that genre necessarily coming out of Japan, and if there's no market there for big budget AAA JRPGs, then that would hurt the chances of there being more of them. I don't consider handheld games to be the same genre. Though, one could argue that FFXII though FFXV also are no longer JRPGs, either.
My concern for the genre is based on that genre necessarily coming out of Japan, and if there's no market there for big budget AAA JRPGs, then that would hurt the chances of there being more of them. I don't consider handheld games to be the same genre. Though, one could argue that FFXII though FFXV also are no longer JRPGs, either.
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Thats still comparing two different hardware markets, especially handhelds which were dominate in japanese sales.
As for bolded lets not forget that despite Fire Emblem Awakening's critical success it was still met with very polarizing reaction towards the hardcore fanbase from it's style/difficulty to dumbed down map design gameplay, there is a reason why Fates released with 2-3 different versions of it while aiming to please to core and casual audience.
As for bolded lets not forget that despite Fire Emblem Awakening's critical success it was still met with very polarizing reaction towards the hardcore fanbase from it's style/difficulty to dumbed down map design gameplay, there is a reason why Fates released with 2-3 different versions of it while aiming to please to core and casual audience.
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Here's some more reading: http://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xv-sells-690-471-retail-copies-in-its-fir-1789772176
Couple of points:
And this fanbase is so schizophrenic any game in the series is polarizing.
Here's some more reading: http://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xv-sells-690-471-retail-copies-in-its-fir-1789772176
Couple of points:
- Famitsu puts the numbers higher, like 711K. So I revised my what-if-Nomura-directed estimate to 712K
- More interestingly, retailers are 60-80% sold through. I'm guessing SE had an idea what the market was going to be like and didn't overship. Lessons learned from the Wada era.
And this fanbase is so schizophrenic any game in the series is polarizing.
It's clearly the market. Did you click on his links? FFXV is literally the highest selling PS4 game in Japan.
I don't have any problem understanding your point. I'm saying that this other data makes it meaningless.
We have the same issue when comparing stats for baseball players of different eras. It's looking like Japan is in a "dead ball era". In baseball, we compare stats to others in their own era, it gives a much better idea of relative value. If FFXV is the single highest selling PS4 game in Japan, then the problem is not this game, it's the market.
You strike me as a reasonable guy, I can't imagine you could come up with a different conclusion.
I don't have any problem understanding your point. I'm saying that this other data makes it meaningless.
We have the same issue when comparing stats for baseball players of different eras. It's looking like Japan is in a "dead ball era". In baseball, we compare stats to others in their own era, it gives a much better idea of relative value. If FFXV is the single highest selling PS4 game in Japan, then the problem is not this game, it's the market.
You strike me as a reasonable guy, I can't imagine you could come up with a different conclusion.