Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII General Discussion and News Thread

[Omegaflare]

With a few notable exceptions the XIII-2 OST was terrible. All that experimental music doesnt belong in a FF game. Hamauzu had some fantastic pieces in XIII and there were a couple of nice ones in XIII-2 but overall none of the XIII or the XII OST do even remotely compare to Uematsus work in VI - X.

 

[Omegaflare]

Thats because Uematsu is the best FF composer. You seem to just love everything related to XIII but without much appreciation of the classic FFs so it doesnt really surprise me that you look down on Uematsu and praise the music in XIII-2.

But like I said, I do love several pieces of Hamauzu in XIII. He did a good job and FF XIII mostly sounds like a FF game needs to sound like. XIII-2 on the other hand did not. You call it a "welcoming change", I just call it a mess that doesnt belong in a FF game. The FF music doesnt need change, its perfectly fine as it was in the first 10 games. You dont suddenly do pop music in a Star Wars or Lord of the Rings OST either just for the sake of change. Because that completely ruins their feel. If anything was expressed in the music of XIII-2 it was the confused mess that the story became in the middle of it. The music somewhat does indeed represent the games story quite well. There are some great pieces (some battle themes, the music in the finale, some character themes) but also a whole lot of stuff that shouldnt have been in there at all.

Why do you think on the FF concerts they play only the classic and traditional kind of orchestra pieces. You will never see some of the experimental and pop music of OSTs like X-2 or XIII-2 in there. You sadly seem to have not much appreciation for the classic FF games and their music and only worship everything XIII-related. But you cant be possibly serious about saying that Uematsus works in VI - X are too overrated. Final Fantasy music should be epic, emotional and orchestral. Maybe throw some rock in there to enhance the epic feel like Uematsu did in X or the Advent Children OST (that OST alone is lightyears above XIII-2 ´s OST) but as a longtime FF fan I dont want them to fuck up the music again by throwing in some pop, RNB or other of that experimental crap. But I guess you would even love it if they make a Hip Hop OST for a XIII-game.

 

[Omegaflare]

I dont care if its uncalled for. If I have the feeling you dont seem to give Uematsu the appreciation he deserves then I will say that. I will always speak my mind and I am sick of people taking issue with that all the time. Its like I am in real life as well so why would it be any different in here. I dont like pretending something I am not. I strongly got the feeling that you seem to look at everything XIII-related with pink fanglasses, which is perfectly fine with me but that you seem to look down on the classics and the things that define them and make them as beloved as they are. So I spoke my mind about that. If I wrongly assumed things, then I did. Shit happens. I will lose no sleep over that. But maybe you should be thinking about why I got this impression of you in the first place. You came across like that to me and I dont see NOTHING wrong with pointing that out when thats how I felt about it. You came across like that to me and I spoke my mind about it. And I dont really care what you do and dont appreciate. You always act like I am not supposed to say this and that but I wont let anybody censor me. If I feel or think about something in a certain way, I will express that directly and honestly instead of hiding behind some overly artificially polite facade.

You also seem to care an awful lot about what others think of you. So what if someone accuses you of not appreciating classic FFs? Why would that even matter to you if its not true anyway? Unless of course it hit a nerve and actually is true. You also didnt understand the ironic tone of my hip Hop comment. the mere fact that you took that remark at face value and even took it seriously shows me that you havent gotten that comment at all. It was a deliberately silly comment to showcase your (in my opinion) blind fangirling with FF XIII.

And if you feel dismissed as a fan by my assumptions and expressions of my thoughts - thats really your lack of self confidence in yourself as a fan. You should be more relaxed about what people think of you. as long as you know who you are and how you are - what does it matter what others think? Toughen up, girl.

 

[Omegaflare]

Says the person who just wrote an entire paragraph of text where she justifies why she allegedly loves Uematsu and classic FF music Also clearly you didnt even read what I replied so I just wont bother with your posts anymore either. So stop giving me crap for every single thing I write all the time. Its wearing thin.

 

[hui43210]

The more I learn about this game, the more I get excited! In regard to the argument above me, Uematsu is the master, but XIII and XIII-2's are still awesome in thier own right( the track " the vestige" is one of my favorites from any Final Fantasy game and the rest of the soundtrack is on point as well). From what we've heard of this games soundtrack has got me really pumped to play this game, before that my excitement had dimmed due to the announcement of XV and the possibility of a Type-0 localization. Now this steady stream of information has got me back into a XIII frame of mind.


PS, I must reiterate that I have been a fan since Final Fantasy VII came out in North America in 1997, and love the old Super Nintendo games as well, VI in particular. It is possible for an old school fan to also like(love TBH) XIII and its soundtrack.

 

[Storm2356]

I like all of the music in LR I've heard so far, but for me, Crimson Blitz x Blinded by Light really stands out. Probably because Blinded by Light by itself is one of my favorite music tracks.

 

[Storm2356]

I wonder if the track we've heard is actually the real deal, or if there's actually a Blinded By Light remix kind of song that they just decided to mix in with Crimson Blitz. Plus, it was the first song to play in the first trailer. When I first saw it I was so overwhelmed with nostalgia and feels. xD

I don't remember which trailer was the first one. Wasn't it the 13 Days trailer? Highly doubt it.

 

[Storm2356]

No, it was just the announcement trailer, this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sXJL9eFgzUk

Ah, okay. The 13 Days trailer is the first one I watched, I believe.

 

[Griffin 325]

This'll be my last post on this subject since this is the LR topic after all, but again, I posted "nitpicked" and not "attacked." You didn't attack my opinion. And I didn't say that. But nevermind. This is just getting repetitive.

And anyway, a question for others in the thread.
Your favorite song in the OST thus far?
I can actually pick a few favorites so far from what we've heard, so here's mine:

• "The Dead Dunes - Afternoon"
• "Luxerion - Morning"
• "Crimson BlitzxBlinded By Light"
• "The Dead Dunes - Morning"
• "Boss Battle Theme 1"
• "The Ark - Portal"
• "Yusnaan - Afternoon"

This has to be my favorite OST so far, and after XIII-2's really diverse OST, I'm psyched to see what the composers come up with this time around. And I like that it doesn't seem to be looping as much. Take the Dead Dunes' Afternoon song for example. It seems to start looping at 3 minutes and doesn't sound so similar throughout the track as "Archylte Steppe" or "Plains of Eternity." But I still really like those two, don't get me wrong.
Also, does anyone know if the music that plays in the continent overview for the Wildlands has been released? It sounded amazing in the video, and that's what I'm really stoked to hear.

"The Dead Dunes-Afternoon", "The Ark", "Crimson BlitzxBlinded By Light", "That song that played in the latter half of the Luxerion trailer" (whatever it's called), and "Wildlands-Afternoon"( I'm guessing that is the name of the song because in the demo footage, that was the time of the day while it was playing ).
Now that they remixed "Blinded By Light", I really want them to make remixes/remakes of "Saber's Edge" and "Will To Fight"... That would be more than awesome.

 

[Leon Aether]

I'd also love to hear a remix of "Dust to Dust" alongside "Will to Fight." There are so many that they could bring back for some epic mixes!

Aaaah! Yes!!! If they remix it by including some piano and violin that would be great!

 

[Storm2356]

On one of the newest articles for the game on NC, soullous posted this link: http://25.media.tumblr.com/18477385f59b7f76eb59e3a9e33a6274/tumblr_muq7tt9zu51rtkvebo1_1280.jpg
It shows Lightning with Noel's swords in their javelin mode, called Shadow Hunter. It's got 270 Strength, 270 Magic, +5% Stagger Power, and the Auto-Ability Jump.

 

[Chevalier]

EDIT: Oh wait, Omegaflare was banned? Ooops...my bad ;c

that doesnt belong in a FF game. The FF music doesnt need change, its perfectly fine as it was in the first 10 games. You dont suddenly do pop music in a Star Wars or Lord of the Rings OST either just for the sake of change.

Things do need change now and again. Uematsu isn't/wasn't the only composer at Square. Final Fantasy has always redefined itself in one way or the other. So why not diversify the music? Should we just keep Uematsu for ten more games and never let new talent take the helm?

Why do you think on the FF concerts they play only the classic and traditional kind of orchestra pieces. You will never see some of the experimental and pop music of OSTs like X-2 or XIII-2 in there. You sadly seem to have not much appreciation for the classic FF games and their music and only worship everything XIII-related. But you cant be possibly serious about saying that Uematsus works in VI - X are too overrated. Final Fantasy music should be epic, emotional and orchestral. Maybe throw some rock in there to enhance the epic feel like Uematsu did in X or the Advent Children OST (that OST alone is lightyears above XIII-2 ´s OST) but as a longtime FF fan I dont want them to fuck up the music again by throwing in some pop, RNB or other of that experimental crap. But I guess you would even love it if they make a Hip Hop OST for a XIII-game.

This is all opinion. This is all your interpretation of how things should be. Trust me, I would cock an eyebrow if they suddenly made the Final Fantasy OST all pop and hired Miley Cirus and Nicki Minaj for the main themes. But having other things besides the same we've had for 1o games also isn't going to suddenly ruin everything.

Final Fantasy music shouldn't be any defined genre of music. It should just be good, well arranged and well composed; it should fit the world and the characters.

Uematsu is way overhyped to the point of ad naseum by Final Fantasy fanbase. That is not to say he's not a composing legend in the video game world, but the fans really have to take it down a notch.

He's not the only composer, and now he's freelance (I think). That ship has sailed and I hope we get lots of new stuff from other composers at Square to add to the repertoire of the series.

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As an aside, @Sapientia and @Omegaflare, by doing what I just did, it sends an alert to the person mentioned. So even if you don't quote them, others can know who you're talking about.

And, if you hit the 'Reply' on a person's post, you'll quote them on your reply box. You can keep hitting it on all the posts you want and it'll work so as to avoid double posts with short replies.

(I'm only suggesting this so that it's easier for everyone to follow and know what's up)

 

[ShinGundam]

Some cool concept arts in this video.

 

[Chevalier]

I have a question about Schema.

I'm wondering if the costume itself brings the changes or is it the equipment? I wanted to do a run with just the default outfit.

 

[Storm2356]

I have a question about Schema.

I'm wondering if the costume itself brings the changes or is it the equipment? I wanted to do a run with just the default outfit.

As far as we know, each one has to have a different garb, though your other equipment does have an effect on each Schema, due in part to the fact that each Schema can have completely different sets of equipment. Still, it seems like the different Schema can share the same equipment. Other than the garb. That we know of. Blah, we'll just have to see when it comes out.

 

[Storm2356]

It's exactly one month until LR releases in Japan. Btw, I'm streaming it on Twitch soon as I get it, should probably be that weekend.
*HYPE HYPE*

Just keep rubbing it in... ;P

 

[Chevalier]

Oh man...this wait.

I wish it came around the same time as in Japan. I hope the wait is worth it *v*

 

[Ehren]

I have a question about Schema.

I'm wondering if the costume itself brings the changes or is it the equipment? I wanted to do a run with just the default outfit.

I still don't have much time, but I thought I might reply to this. The outfit/armor itself has stats, as well as passive abilities associated with it and at times spells or skills that can't be unequipped from the Schemata setup. If certain screens from the recent demo videos are any indication, you can obtain multiples of a single schema. If that's true, you should be able to equip the same Schemata with different abilities, weapons, and accessories to each of your three slots. Whether you can obtain multiples of the default outfit, though, is unknown.

I suppose you'll just have to hope one of the shops sells the default outfit, and the legacy outfits in case you accidentally sell one or something.



Some newer information I picked up from the recent Wildlands Gameplay video:

• Item Change: Remedies (which cost 580 Gil) now remove two debuffs or ailments, bestow Veil to prevent further negative status effects, and apparently restores a little bit of HP.
• Item Change: Phoenix Down (1,280 Gil) revives Lightning from KO automatically with some HP, but now also confer the Protect, Shell, and Veil buffs.
• New Spell: Magnet, which appears to function very similarly to the Kingdom Hearts spell of the same name in that it draws all nearby enemies into the same spot and holds them there for a time.
• New Spell: Icestorm, which appears to be the English name for "Blizzard + Aero" as it contains effects from both spells.
• New Spell: Buster Ruin, which is two Ruin spells at once judging by the animation.

 

[Storm2356]

• Item Change: Remedies (which cost 580 Gil) now remove two debuffs or ailments, bestow Veil to prevent further negative status effects, and apparently restores a little bit of HP.
• Item Change: Phoenix Down (1,280 Gil) revives Lightning from KO automatically with some HP, but now also confer the Protect, Shell, and Veil buffs.
• New Spell: Magnet, which appears to function very similarly to the Kingdom Hearts spell of the same name in that it draws all nearby enemies into the same spot and holds them there for a time.
• New Spell: Icestorm, which appears to be the English name for "Blizzard + Aero" as it contains effects from both spells.
• New Spell: Buster Ruin, which is two Ruin spells at once judging by the animation.

I wonder if Phoenix Downs activate automatically on death or if you can use one ahead of time to get a Raise effect. We'll have to find out. Also, if there are other -storm abilities, I would love a Thunderstorm.

 

[Leon Aether]

Hey, I just don't want anyone to miss watching if they don't mind the spoilers and stuff. I'm guessing I'll probably be one of the few players who speaks English when LR comes out and people start streaming though. If FFXIII-2's 2011 Twitch streams are anything to go by.

You will include voice too? I don't know if I want to get that spoiled yet, but I'm really tired waiting for this game! I want a piece of it like... now! So I'm still considering watching your stream. Plus, when it comes out, let us know your streaming hours!