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Tbh, Ravus could be another Seifer. Which could be great IF he's still given a good treatment (Seifer didn't have a perfect one and was dissapointing in many regards, but he was mostly cool and had some legit great character development: probably the character that grew the most in VIII, along with Squall).
Ardyn I see as a wild card. He most likely has grander reasons that we can't really understand now with the info we have (something related to the Astrals, for example). Right now, he kinda reminds me of Kuja, what with his shady position in regards to an empire (although he's much more hands-on, it seems), his extravagancy and his (likely) mysterious goals. I think he'll be an ally at the end of the day, though.
As long as there is enough justification (Ravus has a good one, right now) and good development, I don't really care who the main villain is (note I didn't say final, as, for everything we know, another Necromicom could happen here). Also, glad to see rapiers back! I like Ravus' design, his face looking more charismatic than his movie one, although both designs are cool.
Ardyn I see as a wild card. He most likely has grander reasons that we can't really understand now with the info we have (something related to the Astrals, for example). Right now, he kinda reminds me of Kuja, what with his shady position in regards to an empire (although he's much more hands-on, it seems), his extravagancy and his (likely) mysterious goals. I think he'll be an ally at the end of the day, though.
As long as there is enough justification (Ravus has a good one, right now) and good development, I don't really care who the main villain is (note I didn't say final, as, for everything we know, another Necromicom could happen here). Also, glad to see rapiers back! I like Ravus' design, his face looking more charismatic than his movie one, although both designs are cool.
He's extremely well placed politically - he's ruling Niflheim, in all but name. He's clearly a shrewd and devious politician - he sets up the Peace Signing, after all. He just seems to be in prime position to go all villain and seize control.
His intentions are what make him a more likely villain, imo. It's like Kuja in IX - ok he was conquering nations but that was just a step in his plan.
Ardyn could have the crystal, he could have Insomnia - he takes these things - but then doesn't attack the Prince, who could prove a huge problem? To me, it seems like manipulation. He wants Noctis for some purpose - something only Noctis can do that he will take advantage of.
His intentions are what make him a more likely villain, imo. It's like Kuja in IX - ok he was conquering nations but that was just a step in his plan.
Ardyn could have the crystal, he could have Insomnia - he takes these things - but then doesn't attack the Prince, who could prove a huge problem? To me, it seems like manipulation. He wants Noctis for some purpose - something only Noctis can do that he will take advantage of.
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Ardyn does have a high position in Niflheim, but if anyone is ruling it, it's Iedolas; Ardyn is below Iedolas. Ardyn's position puts him more in line with politics as you mention, but not at all over the military. This basically puts Ardyn in a place of being powerless in terms of actual force against nations. He is more in charge of the political and societal parts of Niflheim, but still has to answer to the Emperor.
The peace signing was a joint operation set up by Ardyn and Iedolas, it wasn't just Ardyn. Based on how things played out, it actually seems that it was Iedolas' ideas to begin with, and that Ardyn was tasked to aid in formulating the plan. Looking back at the E3 trailer from 2013 when Iedolas and Ardyn are leaving the Citadel you hear:
Ardyn's tone in his line delivery suggests that he's not really motivated, and more or less doesn't care for the outcome. This is reflected by his attitude shown in media thus far where he seems to be very nonchalant about his actions, even going as far to describing himself as a "man of no consequence".
Ardyn could have the crystal, but yet he doesn't. The crystal was removed completely from the city, we see Ardyn stepping on the throne in the Afrojack trailer, so he obviously at some point was inside the city, keep in mind we still have no idea when this takes place, most assume it's towards the end of the game. If that was the case, why have Noctis go all the way around the world just to come all the way back home so he could try to fight him at his strongest knowing he wouldn't be able to win?
People like to compare Ardyn to Cefka, so allow me to make a comparison. Cefka's goals are pretty clear when you first see him and what he's doing. Things take a huge turn when he messes with The Warring Triad and absorbs their power and becomes a God. Cefka up until that point wasn't a threat to anyone though, constantly running away and only becoming a problem when he absorbs this great power.
The Lucii ring and the crystal are both connected, Ardyn doesn't seem to care about either of them. If he only cares about ruling Lucis then it seems his goals are pretty short sighted, not to mention the fact that Ardyn doesn't even have a military to enforce his ruling. However, if he has plans beyond that that involve Noctis, I can only wonder how he plans on getting Noctis to do his bidding. Even through manipulation, it wouldn't take long for Noctis to realize who Ardyn is, so I can only wonder how Ardyn would pull the wool over their eyes.
It just doesn't seem to add up to me... And, don't even get me started on the supposed "leaks", as your theories here make a thousand times more sense than the ones suggested by that nonsense.
The peace signing was a joint operation set up by Ardyn and Iedolas, it wasn't just Ardyn. Based on how things played out, it actually seems that it was Iedolas' ideas to begin with, and that Ardyn was tasked to aid in formulating the plan. Looking back at the E3 trailer from 2013 when Iedolas and Ardyn are leaving the Citadel you hear:
Ardyn's tone in his line delivery suggests that he's not really motivated, and more or less doesn't care for the outcome. This is reflected by his attitude shown in media thus far where he seems to be very nonchalant about his actions, even going as far to describing himself as a "man of no consequence".
Ardyn could have the crystal, but yet he doesn't. The crystal was removed completely from the city, we see Ardyn stepping on the throne in the Afrojack trailer, so he obviously at some point was inside the city, keep in mind we still have no idea when this takes place, most assume it's towards the end of the game. If that was the case, why have Noctis go all the way around the world just to come all the way back home so he could try to fight him at his strongest knowing he wouldn't be able to win?
People like to compare Ardyn to Cefka, so allow me to make a comparison. Cefka's goals are pretty clear when you first see him and what he's doing. Things take a huge turn when he messes with The Warring Triad and absorbs their power and becomes a God. Cefka up until that point wasn't a threat to anyone though, constantly running away and only becoming a problem when he absorbs this great power.
The Lucii ring and the crystal are both connected, Ardyn doesn't seem to care about either of them. If he only cares about ruling Lucis then it seems his goals are pretty short sighted, not to mention the fact that Ardyn doesn't even have a military to enforce his ruling. However, if he has plans beyond that that involve Noctis, I can only wonder how he plans on getting Noctis to do his bidding. Even through manipulation, it wouldn't take long for Noctis to realize who Ardyn is, so I can only wonder how Ardyn would pull the wool over their eyes.
It just doesn't seem to add up to me... And, don't even get me started on the supposed "leaks", as your theories here make a thousand times more sense than the ones suggested by that nonsense.
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I haven't read those leaks, nor have any interest to do so.
There are a number of antagonists that are devious, cunning or manipulative subordinates who overcome their superiors. They've been the maiin villains
quite a lot.
I, personally, do not expect Iedolas to make it past the first half of the game. I also do not expect our guys to kill him. I firmly believe, as precedent suggests, he will be purged by the real villain - it's just a handy device - see how bad this guy was? Well, THIS guy murdered him and was supposed to be his friend - he's REALLY bad!! To me, Ardyn would have a lot to gain out of this. As per him stepping down - I'm waiting to see how that plays out.
I can only guess as to what Ardyn's plans are for Noct. If I were to hazard one, I'd say that he wants Noct to awaken the Astrals for some purpose. There's this whole Plague of The Stars thing which I have no notion about either.
Again, I could be totally wrong. It could very easily be Ravus - but I'm getting that more Seifer/Gabranth/Beatrix vibe from him, ya know? II think he'll be misguided, but good in his own way.
Of course, it could be some mofo we haven't met yet.
There are a number of antagonists that are devious, cunning or manipulative subordinates who overcome their superiors. They've been the maiin villains
VI, IX, X (Seymour), XII
I, personally, do not expect Iedolas to make it past the first half of the game. I also do not expect our guys to kill him. I firmly believe, as precedent suggests, he will be purged by the real villain - it's just a handy device - see how bad this guy was? Well, THIS guy murdered him and was supposed to be his friend - he's REALLY bad!! To me, Ardyn would have a lot to gain out of this. As per him stepping down - I'm waiting to see how that plays out.
I can only guess as to what Ardyn's plans are for Noct. If I were to hazard one, I'd say that he wants Noct to awaken the Astrals for some purpose. There's this whole Plague of The Stars thing which I have no notion about either.
Again, I could be totally wrong. It could very easily be Ravus - but I'm getting that more Seifer/Gabranth/Beatrix vibe from him, ya know? II think he'll be misguided, but good in his own way.
Of course, it could be some mofo we haven't met yet.
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Yeah, that's true, either way, I feel like there's motives we're unaware of yet which is really the main point. It doesn't matter who the villain is, so long as it's something we're not expecting fully.
I don't know about the plague of stars either, all I know is that there's someone who caused it that Noctis is going to have to defeat.
I don't know about the plague of stars either, all I know is that there's someone who caused it that Noctis is going to have to defeat.
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I feel like you two are underestimating the predictive value of wardrobe choice.
Kidding if course, fine reads all around, it will be raining likes in a moment.
I will say there doesn't appear to be a reasonably positive conclusion yet, unless it's in kg spoilers. You both make great cases here. I can totally picture either one if them being the guy. I can picture both of them being the guy you think is the guy but ends up being on your side. I'm actually glad I can, it reminds me of how little we still know.
While I was half joking about the outfit, that kind of thing can actually be predictive. The problem here is that they both wear villain uniforms. I stick with my first instincts until I have something concrete, though. At this point, the idea that Ardyn appears so aloof could well be because he's planned this evil scheme out so well, he's set the pieces in motion so long ago, that he's just having fun watching it all go down. I can see the other one having a huge grudge against Noctis, and for good reason that I've kind of glimpsed bits of, but ends up sticking to doing the right thing for the sake of the rest of the world. (or the total opposite, lol, what do I know.)
Seeing Kefka and Kuja in Ardyn, and Sephiroth and Seymour in Ravus. I see nothing but Emperor Take-Your-Pick in Iedolas and agree that he won't make it half way through the game. So, obviously, it will be him..
Kidding if course, fine reads all around, it will be raining likes in a moment.
I will say there doesn't appear to be a reasonably positive conclusion yet, unless it's in kg spoilers. You both make great cases here. I can totally picture either one if them being the guy. I can picture both of them being the guy you think is the guy but ends up being on your side. I'm actually glad I can, it reminds me of how little we still know.
While I was half joking about the outfit, that kind of thing can actually be predictive. The problem here is that they both wear villain uniforms. I stick with my first instincts until I have something concrete, though. At this point, the idea that Ardyn appears so aloof could well be because he's planned this evil scheme out so well, he's set the pieces in motion so long ago, that he's just having fun watching it all go down. I can see the other one having a huge grudge against Noctis, and for good reason that I've kind of glimpsed bits of, but ends up sticking to doing the right thing for the sake of the rest of the world. (or the total opposite, lol, what do I know.)
Seeing Kefka and Kuja in Ardyn, and Sephiroth and Seymour in Ravus. I see nothing but Emperor Take-Your-Pick in Iedolas and agree that he won't make it half way through the game. So, obviously, it will be him..
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http://imgur.com/YLksPED
Much clearer version of ifrit.
Ifrit. Kingsglaive uniforms. Insomnia.
Halfway through the game Ardyn and Ravus are killed and the main villain, who was pulling the strings from the very beginning, is revealed to be Stella. Then FFXV goes full-on meta as she proceeds to take her vengeance for not being included in the game and kills Regis, Cor, Cindy, Lightning and Luna. Her last victim is Tabata. Then she turns to Noctis and reenacts the famous scene from Versus XIII trailer as the final boss fight begins. In the last stage she transforms into a giant One Winged Nomura wearing the tackiest Roen clothes in existence. Noctis&co are now wearing the Kingsglaive outfits as a symbol of taking the control of FF away from him. After his defeat, from the heavens descends the reborn soul of Hiroyuki Ito ready to make Final Fantasy great again. After the end credits we watch Stella transform into Agni as the words "Final Fantasy XVI. Now in development" appear.
Honestly I don't think there's much point in debating who may be the main villain as of now. FFs are notorious for revealing them late into the game. Like in VI, VIII and IX for the beginning portions of the games we're led to believe that the villains are respectively the Emperor, Edea and Queen Brahne, while the real villains are either hidden (Ultimecia, Kuja) or inconspicious (Kefka). The only FF I can think of that was straightforward from the beginning about the villain is FFII (and maybe FFX with Sin, although in the end it was a bit more complicated).
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Lots of fascinating stuff here, but since we have a Spoilers/Speculation thread, I'll kindly ask you to use that instead. Posting both news and thoughts on that news is great for continuity, but at the same time it bloats what is supposed a thread dedicated to news.
Your cooperation's appreciated.
Spoilers/Speculation Thread here: http://www.mognetcentral.com/thread...ntasy-xv-spoiler-and-speculation-thread.5723/
Your cooperation's appreciated.
Spoilers/Speculation Thread here: http://www.mognetcentral.com/thread...ntasy-xv-spoiler-and-speculation-thread.5723/
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Edit: hmm, won't embed.
http://imgur.com/YLksPED
Much clearer version of ifrit.
Ifrit. Kingsglaive uniforms. Insomnia.
Ifrit looks a little skinny this time 'round.
Edit: hmm, won't embed.
http://imgur.com/YLksPED
Much clearer version of ifrit.
Ifrit. Kingsglaive uniforms. Insomnia.
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